David O. McKay Diaries – “Tabernacle Choir”

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Wed., 4 May, 1949:

“9:30 a.m.–Brother Alexander Schreiner came in very much upset because Brother Asper had accused him of claiming to be ‘head Tabernacle organist,’ and Brother Asper said that if it ever happened again there would be ‘fire works.’  It has happened again, and Brother Schreiner says it is through no wish or action of his;, but some magazine has referred to him as ‘chief organist’ in the Tabernacle.  Others haver referred to Brother Schreiner as ‘head organist.’  Brother Schreiner said, ‘I don’t want to hurt Brother Asper and I do not know what to do.’  I said ‘Don’t do anything, and when the ‘fire works’ come we shall see if we can distinguish [extinguish?] the flame with some pacifying element.”

Mon., 1 Dec., 1952:

“I called Brother [Richard L.] Evans and asked him if he would be at the Tabernacle broadcast, since 140 members of the Farm Bureau from the Northeastern States would be there, and a reception afterward would be a nice gesture.  He agreed to do everything he could to help.

I told Brother Evans that I enjoyed his talk last Sunday on faith, as well as the music by the choir, but not Bach.  Brother Evans stated that he shares my feelings in a very intimate way.  He said that he was not in a position to say expertly that the music is not good, but he could say expertly that most of it did not appeal to him.”

1 April, 1953:

“First Presidency’s Meeting—Among items considered were:  (1) It was felt that President Richards should not attempt to attend any of the meetings in the temple of the Brethren of the sessions of the conference.  He said that his doctor had suggested that he do not make any public appearances at this time.

(3) It was reported that Cyril Jenkins, the composer of Australia, is in Salt Lake, that they had an interview with him yesterday and were favorably impressed by him.  He will remain two weeks or longer to hear the Choir practice.  The brethren approved of the Choir’s making recordings of some good selections while he is here, which will be sent to the British Broadcasting Company for their use.  ‘His Master’s Voice’ in England will take the records on a business basis, giving us a royalty on them.  Bro. Jenkins mentioned also the Edinburgh festival of music and the thought of taking the Choir there during the festival of music was just a thought.  He has a commitment from BBC but it is on condition that the selections are up to the standard.  He has make some criticisms of the Choir, the conducting, the enunciation, etc.

Tues., 1 Sept., 1953:

Notes from meeting of First Presidency

“1.  Pres. McKay mentioned that Jack Thomas had called on him yesterday and said that he had never been on a mission but there is one thing he would like to do which he felt would be a great missionary factor and that he would have to have a year and a half to work it out.  He said he would like to take the Tabernacle Choir to Switzerland when the temple there is dedicated and hold concerts in London and Paris and other centers.  He said it would cost $250,000 and that he would raise every cent of it and not call on the Church for one dollar.  He said he would reserve the Queen Elizabeth ship to carry them over.  President McKay said the Choir would fill the temple.  He answered that they would sing outside.  He further said that he felt they should not take any music books but must memorize the songs and sing from their hearts.  It would require a month or six weeks’ absence.  Pres. McKay thought that perhaps they could return by air.  He thought the temple would be completed by May, 1955.  The President said that the more he thought about it the more favorably he was impressed.”

Thurs., 3 Dec., 1953:

Telephone Conversations

Thursday, December 3, 1953

“2:00 p.m.  Lester Hewlett, President of the Tabernacle Choir, called to see whether or not I had obtained approval for the Tabernacle Choir to go to Las Vegas, Nevada, December 28th and 29th for concerts.  Proceeds of these concerts will go toward the building of a special youth center in Las Vegas now being constructed by Moapa Stake.  I told him that I had discussed this matter with the First Presidency, and they gave their approval.  However, I cautioned him that we were going to Las Vegas to sing and not to operate ‘one armed bandits.'”

March 3, 1955

Telephone Call from Senator Wallace Bennett from Washington, D.C., March 3, 1955.

Reported that Mr. John H. Stambaugh of President Eisenhower’s personal staff, who recently visited me at my office, had reported how much he enjoyed his visit, and expressed deep appreciation for the courteous treatment he received.  Senator Bennett said that he is sure that he has delivered my personal message to President Eisenhower.

Senator Bennett then said that they have the final report of the arrangement with the Department of State and Department of Army to the effect that they will transport the Choir at the expense of the government in and out of Berlin–from Hamberg to Berlin and to Frankfurt.  A special train will be furnished.  They have approval to transport 500 persons, and it is suggested we ‘lay low’ for a few weeks, and then tell the persons in charge that there will be 700, and they are sure no objections will be offered to transport the extra number.

I expressed appreciation to Senator Bennett and said that this news has come at the right time, because we had some rather discouraging news today.

Brother Bennett then asked if they should make a public announcement in Washington about this matter, or if it is preferred that nothing be said.  We agreed that it would do a lot of good to make the announcement back there.  Brother Bennett said the State Department is going to make maximum use of the Choir to propagandize American culture, etc., and then will give newspaper publicity and make arrangements for appearances of the choir during their visit to West Berlin.

I asked Brother Bennett to extend our appreciation to the committee, and he suggested that we write a letter of appreciation to the lady who had handled the matter for him.  Brother Bennett will send her name and address to us.

Brother Bennett further reported that President Richards had come to Washington, D.C. to talk about the missionary draft problem, and that he now wishes to report to me that they have a letter from the Assistant Secretary of Defense, saying that the Department of Defense would interpose no objection to the amendment it offered, which means that we have the approval of the Selective Service and that of the Department of Defense.  If we get both the Selective Service and the Department of Defense to amend the law there will be no question as to the status of our missionaries, and as soon as they are called, they will be recognized as minister of religion.

I congratulated Brother Bennett on the excellent service that had been rendered in this regard.  

Brother Bennett then said that Brother Richards has a copy of the language that will be offered in proposing the amendment.” 

Thurs., 7 July, 1955:

“Senator Wallace Bennett called from Washington, D.C. regarding transportation of the Choir Group in and out of Berlin.  Stated that he had received another wire from our Ambassador in Germany, asking whether or not the Church would consider a program in which only the actual choir members would be transported in and out of Berlin; that it might make it acceptable to the German Government if they did not have to transport the travelling companions of the Choir group.

President McKay then turned to President Clark who was present in the First Presidency’s meeting and repeated what Senator Bennett had told him.  I reminded him that yesterday we had decided to cancel the trip into Berlin based on information that had been received by Elder Mark E. Petersen from Herold Gregory, President of the East German Mission.  However, now that Senator Bennett feels that there might be a chance to have the Choir members only transported by train into Berlin, we decided that Senator Bennett may proceed along the lines he now proposes.  I so informed Senator Bennett.

I then asked Senator Bennett if he had received any inkling as to who is responsible for the holding up of the original plans for the transportation of the Choir group into Berlin, and he answered that he had received a wire this morning indicating that apparently it is the Soviet Government who is interfering in this matter.

Fri., 8 July, 1955:

Telephone Conversation with Senator Wallace F. Bennett, Washington, D.C.

Senator Bennett stated that he had talked to the State Department again regarding the Tabernacle Choir’s giving a concert in Berlin.  Senator Bennett stated that they are still very favorable that the plan for choir members only can be worked out, and that there will be no question regarding our getting a day time train back.  But they say it will take about a week longer to work things out.

I told Senator Bennett that the Choir Committee looks with disfavor upon keeping the consorts back while the choir members go to Berlin, and they felt that they should cut Berlin out entirely.  I also told him that the leader of the choir feels that it would not be to the best interests of the choir; that there is danger of fatigue to the members of the choir having to have the recital the night they arrive.

Senator Bennett said that the arrangement now is that they arrive in Berlin one day and have the concert the next evening.

I stated to Senator Bennett that arrangement should probably be made to have the concert in Hamburg or Hannover.  The Committee felt that this would be better at the present.

Senator Bennett stated that he would be glad to pass this information on.  He stated that it is now 12 o’clock in Washington.

I asked Brother Bennett if he would be in his office for the next two hours.  Said that the Committee was meeting this morning, and we would let him know definitely whether or not they want to go into Berlin.

Senator Bennett stated that the State Department has really been burning up the wires and have put on the full pressure to get this through.

I asked him what effect it would have if the Choir decided not to go into Berlin, and told him that we want them to know that we appreciate their efforts more than we can express.  They have given every consideration.

Senator Bennett told me in confidence that the State Department has cleared the way with the German government, but now because the railroad train passes through the Soviet Zone, they think they will need a week to see whether or not they can get clearance.  They rather welcome the problem because it is another means of testing the Soviet Government before their meeting in July.  However, this should not affect the decision as to whether or or not the Choir should go into Berlin.

Brother Bennett wanted me to understand personally.  The German government now is cooperative, so far as choir members going into Berlin.

I told Senator Bennett that we shall call him back.  Brother Bennett stated that if he was out of reach his assistant Mr. Glendon Johnson would be there, and he will take the message.

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Later Brother Mark E. Petersen called my office by telephone.  He stated that Brother Bennion and he both seemed to think alike on the visit of the Tabernacle Choir to Berlin.  They do not feel that they should wait for any more uncertainty or take any chance concerning it.  They feel that we should give our appreciation.  I told Brother Petersen that I would contact Brother Bennett.  Brother Petersen asked if he should notify the express company, but I told him to wait until I had talked to Brother Bennett again.

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Telephone Conversation with Senator Wallace F. Bennett, Washington, D.C.

I asked Senator Bennett if anything had developed regarding the Tabernacle Choir’s going into Berlin for a concert.  Senator Bennett stated that nothing further had developed.

I told Senator Bennett that in view of the fact that it will be a week probably before we hear from East Germany, the Committee rather feels that we had better cancel the Berlin trip provided it will not embarrass Senator Bennett or the State Department.  I told Brother Bennett that the Committee had to know right now because they will be making other arrangements.

Senator Bennett stated that we should do what would add to the success of the trip.  I told him that there was just a question of his relationship with the State Department.  I told him that we shall take it definitely now that the Berlin trip is off.  Senator Bennett stated that he would pass that word along.  I told him that we thanked them most sincerely for their interest and their courtesy and consideration throughout this entire planning.

Senator Bennett suggested that The First Presidency write a letter of thanks to Miss Mary French, Leaders’ Division, Department of State, Washington, D.C.  He said to tell her in the letter why we felt it unwise under all the circumstances for the Choir to go to Berlin.  Brother Bennett stated that he would call her tomorrow morning as it was too late to do so to-night.

I thanked Senator Bennett for his efforts and told him that we appreciated his kindness.

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Note:  Two or three days later Senator Bennett called Mark Petersen, President McKay being away, and told him that the State Department are insisting that the Choir go to Berlin, and therefore negotiations are underway for the original plan.

Telephone Conversation with President A. Hamer Reiser, President of the British Mission.

I told President Reiser that there would be a time set aside for the British Mission, missionaries and members, (members who are worthy of recommends) to attend the Switzerland Temple dedication on September 11th in the afternoon.

I asked Brother Reiser if he had time with his other duties to check up on the various halls that he and Brother Thomas secured for the Tabernacle Choir to give concerts in when Brother Thomas was in Europe, and also asked him to see if everything was all right, transportation, hotel reservations, etc.  Brother Reiser assured me that everything was in order and ‘going very well’.  I told Brother Reiser that we would let him know about the choir’s going into Berlin a little later.

Brother Reiser stated that Brother Spencer W. Kimball was in the room with him and asked if I would like to speak to him.  I told Brother Kimball I was glad to hear his voice and asked him if all was well.  I also extended greetings and kind regards to him.  Brother Kimball stated that he would join us in Scotland.  (President McKay and Brother Kimball talked about Brother Kimball’s going to Berlin and also the choir’s trip into Berlin, but the conversation was inaudible.  President McKay told Brother Kimball that he would send a letter regarding the Berlin trip, but it is doubtful that Brother Kimball heard.)

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In a letter dated July 9, 1955 from President A. Hamer Reiser, he said:

‘We are grateful for your telephone call which was finally consummated at Bradford, Yorkshire, because I am on tour of the mission with Elder Spencer W. Kimball.

‘We can now proceed to complete bookings for the British missionaries to go to Berne for the Temple dedication service on September 11.  Earlier information to us had not set the day assigned for us, hence our cable for the information.

‘All arrangements for the coming of the Choir to Great Britain are proceeding well.  Reservations for hotels, transportation and other services, which are so limited here that people must queue up for them, are made.  So far as Britain is involved the Choir will be provided for.  Reservations for your party are made as well.  We shall let no detail be overlooked.  I shall meet you at Prestwick upon your arrival in Scotland.

‘I have Elder Mark Petersen’s letter asking for confirmation of details of arrangements for seating the Choir in the various concert halls here and of other arrangements.  This is proceeding and as soon as possible all this will be confirmed.  Sale of tickets is being provided for, to be handled by established local ticket selling agencies.  The government has already issued tax exemption on my application.  The advertising and publicity is in good hands with the J. Walter Thompson Company.

‘I think you may all be at ease as to all arrangements.’

‘Truly the missionaries and members, and the whole country of Britain are being greatly blessed in this memorable year of 1955, thanks to the generous planning of our beloved leader.’  Faithfully yours, (s) A. Hamer Reiser, Mission President”

July 27, 1955:

2.  Telephone Conversation with Senator Bennett, Washington, D.C.

Senator Bennett called from Washington, D.C.  He sated that they had received approval to transport the Tabernacle Choir in and out of Berlin, Germany on day trains.  The members of the choir and their partners and guests will also have permission to enter Berlin.  The State Department is doing this.

I told Senator Bennett that this was very good news.

Senator Bennett stated that they had had to get permission from the Russians, and the Russians have told them that this is the first consequence on President Eisenhower’s trip to Geneva.  He stated that we are to be favored as the first evidence of the increasing friendship by the Russians.  There is only one Russian Consul in the United Stated and that is in Washington, D.C.  It will therefore be necessary for the State Department to fly a special messenger to Salt Lake to pick up the passports and take them to Washington, D.C., have them visaed, and then fly them back to Salt Lake.  This problem is being worked on at the present time.

Senator Bennett stated that we should get some publicity out of this.

I told the Senator that the publicity should come from their Department.

Senator Bennett stated that he had called Brother Mark E. Petersen but had the report that he was out of town.

I told Senator Bennett that I would give this report to President Stephen L. Richards who at the present time is out of the state.

I told Senator Bennett that we would have the passports brought to one central place in order that they would be available when it was necessary to pick them up.

The Senator stated that he was sure the Choir will do a tremendous amount of good in Berlin.  I told him that we would report to the American Express in order that they may make necessary arrangements.

(see newspaper clippings regarding the Tabernacle Choir’s entrance into Berlin following)

3.  Telephone Conversation with Jack Thomas

I called Jack Thomas and told him that I had just received word from the State Department through Senator Wallace F. Bennett that it would be possible for the Tabernacle Choir to go into Berlin.  A day train will be furnished both ways, and the State Department will pay the fare of the choir members on the original basis.

I informed Brother Thomas that Senator Bennett reported that the Russians have said they approve and this comes as one of the first indications of good will, which comes as a result of President Eisenhower’s visit to Switzerland.

I explained also that there is only one Russian Consul in the United States, and that it will be necessary for the State Department to send a special messenger by air to Salt Lake City, and have him pick up the passports in order that they can be visaed in Washington and then returned. The State Department will let us know when the messenger will be coming.

I suggested that we have the passports in one central place so that we can get them when it is necessary.  Brother Thomas stated that the choir would meet together Tuesday evening and have their passports there when steamship tickets were to be issued to each member.  I told Brother Thomas that we would probably know by that time when the messenger would arrive.  I also told him that he was the first to receive this information.

Brother Thomas was very happy to receive the information that the Tabernacle Choir would be able to go into Berlin.

4.  Telephone Conversation with Elder LeGrand Richards

I called Brother Richards and told him that I had just received word from Brother Wallace Bennett that the State Department has received word that the Russians are willing to permit day-time trains to transport the choir into Berlin.  The State Department will pay the fare according to the original plans.  I told him that we would go ahead with this plan.

Brother Richards expressed his happiness that we had finally received permission to go to Berlin.  He said that he would relay this information to Brother child.  He also asked for my permission to wire President Gregory.  I gave him permission to do this.”

Sun., 31 July, 1955:

“Sunday, July 31, 1955

Instructions to Members of the Tabernacle Choir

8:00 a.m.

Attended the Tabernacle Choir Broadcast.  Following their broadcast I spoke to the members of the Choir preparatory to their leaving for their concert tour of European countries.

First, I asked their cooperation in setting an example to all others in the Church – organized stakes and missions and in conforming to the request of the Presidency that each one who enters the Temple must have an admission card obtained through the Presidencies of missions and officials here at home only by recommendation of the Bishops of Wards, signed by the President of the Stake.  I explained that if they would get their recommend, properly signed, the First Presidency would issue admission cards to them.  I assigned Brother Lester Hewlett and Sister Mary Jack to make the arrangements for distribution of these cards.

I explained further that these admission cards to the dedication may be issued to all members of the Choir who are members of the Church whether the member happens to be married to a non-member or not.  However, this recommend does not entitle any one to go through the Temple for his or her endowments.

I then read to them the following announcement made by the First Presidency concerning this matter:

The limited space available at the Temple in Berne, Switzerland,

and the necessity of making provision for the attendance of our missionaries

and Saints in the various European missions have required that admission to the 

dedicatory services be restricted only to those who bear non-transferable cards

issued by the European Mission Presidents.

In order to obtain one of these cards, it will be necessary for each visitor

from wards and stakes who desires to attend a dedicatory service to present a

recommend from his or her Bishop, endorsed by the Stake President.  If the

visitor is from a mission outside Europe, he must present a recommend signed by 

the President of his branch, endorsed by the President of the mission.

I cautioned the choir members not to expect too much with respect to travel conditions — that travel I have learned through experience is not always pleasant.  All can not have the best seats — all cannot have the best rooms – that there will be inconveniences on the boat – some will be sick — afraid you might die, and afterwards anxious that you won’t die.  On the continent there will be inconveniences, however, I admonished them that through it all, they should make the best of it, to look for the best in everything – to find no fault.”

Wed., 10 Aug., 1955:

“At 8 o’clock I went to the Union Pacific Station to bid farewell to members of the Tabernacle Choir as they depart on their historic tour of the European countries.  Never in the history of the Union Pacific has there been such a large crowd of people gather at this station–it is estimated that there were 5000 relatives and friends there to bid adieu to the Choir members.

In a letter from a member of the KSL Television Staff dated August 5, 1955, copy of which follows, I was asked to appear on television at the station to say a few words of blessing and farewell.  In my remarks I stated that the choir now numbers approximately 381 singers.  In its long history, in addition to its continuous schedule on nationwide radio networks, it has engaged in a number of concert tours including appearances at:  The Chicago World’s Fair in 1893; also St. Louis; West Coast tour in 1896; the Welsh Eisteddfods in Denver; the San Francisco World’s Fair in 1902; the Alaskan Yukon Exposition at Seattle in 1909; the American Land and Irrigation Exposition at New York in 1911; a personal appearance before President William Howard Taft at the White House in 1911; West Coast tour including Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles in 1926; the Century of Progress Exposition in Chicago in 1934; the California Pacific Exposition in San Diego in 1936; Zion National Park in 1937; Sun Valley Idaho in 1940; the San Francisco Civic auditorium and Hollywood Bowl in 1941; the San Bernardino pageant of 1947; and Las Vegas 1953 – and now this momentous of all trips — a tour of the European countries!  [Note that this was the choir’s first trip, ever, outside of North America.]

I paid tribute to and commended all those who had willingly contributed to this historic trip – to the Committee of businessmen, headed by John M. Wallace, George M. Gadsby, William J. O’Connor, James J. Kelly who worked so diligently and successfully in obtaining funds from business firms throughout the city – to the Mutual Improvement Association who gave the proceeds from their Dance Festival amounting to $12,350.00 – and to many others who entered wholeheartedly into the project.  I mentioned especially Jack Thomas with whom the idea of the tour of the choir to Europe originated.

President Stephen L. Richards and President J. Reuben Clark, Jr. were also on hand to express their best wishes and farewells to the Choir members.

It was a stirring and heart-warming occasion, and our prayers and best wishes went with the Choir and their associates as they embark on this eventful, history-making tour.

(see newspaper clippings following)

Note:  announcement made today in local newspapers regarding our trip to Europe to Attend Tabernacle Choir’s concerts in Glasgow, Cardiff, Wales, and London – also to attend dedicatory services of the Swiss Temple at Berne.  (see European Trip account following)

Saturday, September 10, 1955.

Rained continuously all day.  Missionaries and saints fasting and praying for good weather tomorrow for the Dedicatory Services.  This evening in company with Sister McKay, Edward, Lottie and Clare attended Tabernacle Choir Concert held in ‘Fest’ Hall.  This great hall was filled to capacity; every seat sold.  Another wonderful concert!

A day of anxiety as to how the Dedicatory Services will impress the various groups who attend one after another throughout the week.

I conferred the sealing power upon President William F. Perschon to assist President Bringhurst in the Swiss Temple.  I also conferred the sealing power upon Emil Von Almen for work in the Bern Temple.  He had previously worked in the Logan and Idaho Falls Temples.

Thursday, August 20, 1959

Report on Richard P. Condie, Conductor of the Tabernacle Choir, and former Conductor, J. Spencer Cornwall.

At Council meeting today a letter was read to the Brethren from the Advisors to the Music Committee suggesting the advisability of appointing the Director of the Tabernacle Choir as a member of the General Church Music Committee.

I related briefly conditions in connection with the release of Elder J. Spencer Cornwall nearly two years ago and explained that the First Presidency had decided to consult Brother Cornwall in regard to the advisability of his being honorably released as leader of the Choir, and it was decided that I should talk with him about the matter.  I called Brother Cornwall into the office and presented the matter, indicating that we were considering the advisability of a reorganization so far as the chorister of the Choir was concerned wtih the thought in mind of asking him when the change might wisely be made and whom he might suggest for his successor.  When the question was raised as to how this should be accomplished and when, Brother Cornwall answered very abruptly, ‘as of now!’  In answer to his retort, I said, ‘All right; it will be right now.’  I told him he should take charge of the Choir the following Sunday as certain appointments had been made.

Later, Brother Richard P. Condie was appointed as his successor, but having in mind the incidents relating to Brother Cornwall’s release, the First Presidency, in presenting the appointment to Brother Condie who manifested an excellent spirit, said that they would like him to take charge of the Choir for two years, and they would like to see what he could do in that time; that after two years his successor would be appointed.  Brother Condie made the response, ‘Suppose I make a success of it?’  In answer to this question I told him:  ‘You will be released in two years.’  Brother Condie accepted this in good spirit, and there was a record made of that conversation.  Now the two years will be up within a month or two.  Accordingly, the question now arises as to whether Brother Condie should be continued in this position.  I think that Brother Condie has done a very good job in directing the Choir; and in considering the matter this morning the First Presidency in their meeting felt that Brother Condie had given complete satisfaction, and had really done a wonderful job.

Brother Richard L. Evans said that he felt personally, not as a musician, but as one who has been closely tied to this situation for 30 years, that we have the best Choir singing today that we have had in that 30 years of time, and that recordings of the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Choir are now on the best-seller list across the nation, and are having a tremendous reception.  The choir is happy and there is a sweet spirit among the members.  Said he felt that Brother Condie has done a remarkable job.

I presented to the Council the recommendation that we appoint Brother Condie a member of the General Church Music Committee, which implies that his two years will not end his service as Choir leader.

This was approved by the Council, after which I said that I believed that the sentiment of the Brethren represented the feelings of the Church generally — those who understand music especially.  The Choir members who were opposed to Brother Condie two years ago are now reporting that they have received more definite instruction and training than they have ever had before, and that there seems to be a general feeling that we are proud of our Choir and proud of Brother Condie and his achievements.  (See also September 13, 1957)

Fri., 13 Sept., 1957:

“Telephone conversation with President Stephen L. Richards, Friday, September 13, 1957.

President Richards:  LaRue said you wanted to speak to me.

President McKay:  I was not going to bother you.  Can you sit down?

President Richards:  Yes.  I just stepped over home.

President McKay:  Are you physically equal to take this?

President Richards:  Yes.

President McKay:  Because I should like to report to you as near as possible my conversation with Brother Condie.  It is as follows:

‘Brother Condie, I have a very unpleasant duty to perform.  For several months past (over a year), The First Presidency have had under consideration the advisability of making a change in the leadership of the Tabernacle Choir, changing the director and those officers who might be associated with him.

Last Friday at 11 o’clock I asked Brother Cornwall to come in.  I approached the matter with a spirit of deciding how best the release should be brought about when we deemed it necessary.  Brother Cornwall answered, ‘Hasn’t my work been satisfactory?’, and I said, ‘Yes, very much so, but it is a good time to change at the high point of your success.’

(I did not quote to Brother Condie the saying Brother Cornwall quoted to you.)  But Brother Cornwall did not feel right about it, and he said, ‘No, as of now the change will take place.’  I said, ‘What do you mean?’  He said, ‘I can’t face the Choir any more.’

I then said to Brother Condie:

‘Now in the Church when a stake president receives his release from the First Presidency, his counselors are released.  When a Bishop is released, his counselors are released.  It does not necessarily follow that you are released because Brother Cornwall is released, and the brethren feel that it would be right and just to you (if it is satisfactory) to let you have charge of that choir in the interim for a year or so.  Now there are three ways in which you can do that:  continue as assistant director without being released; you can accept the position as director of the choir; or as acting director of the choir.  If you accept the position as director of the choir, when we release you at the end of two years, it might be that people may wonder why you are released and say, ‘hasn’t his work been satisfactory’, and so, the question that I have to consult with you now is that.

‘Brother Condie answered:  ‘I should like to ask a question:  Suppose during that two years I make a success of that choir, is there a chance to be continued?’  I said, ‘my answer to that will have to be no.  I should rather be frank with you.’

‘Brother Condie said, ‘I admire you for your frankness.’  I said, ‘Which would you rather do?’  He said, ‘I would rather be the director, and I thank you very much for giving me that chance.’

I think Brother Condie went away feeling very well, and I have given you word for word our conversation, and there is a clear understanding.  I am making a record of it.

President Richards:  He understands it?

President McKay:  Yes.  Next Thursday night (later the day was changed to Sunday) we will meet with the Choir and these changes will be made.  I mentioned to Brother Condie that in the meantime we shall say nothing about it.  He said, ‘May I say something to my wife.’  And I replied, ‘Of course, you may.’

The conversation was entirely satisfactory, and he has a definite understanding.

President Richards:  Well, I thank you.  I am glad that it is that way.  I feel that with that understanding, we shall not have further difficulty.  You may want to write a letter of appointment to him, appointing him to this position.

President McKay:  He understood, and he will feel perfectly all right about it.  Now I said to him, ‘Brother Condie, some of the members of the Choir may fall out.’  He said, ‘Brother Cornwall didn’t even give me a chance to train the group going over on the tour.’  Brother Condie spoke right out; and I said, ‘Well, undoubtedly there will be members of the Choir drop out now, and you have full authority to build up your Choir.’

I asked him about the following:  ‘Do you know about the contemplated trip to the Northwest?’  He said yes that he had heard something about it.  Well I told him ‘that will be your responsibility if it is carried out.’

Then I stated further, ‘Now during conference, it is only a little thing, but Brother Cornwall has invited Sister Madsen, for example, to have the Singing Mothers sing at the sessions on two days and whenever the congregation will sing he will stand up and lead or ask you to lead.  I am sure the leaders, Sister Madsen, and others, too, would lead that congregation.  It doesn’t mean much to you leaders, but it does to them.’  I said further, ‘I think now is a good time to break that habit.’  He said, ‘I will be glad to do it.’

That is the conversation we had.

President Richards:  The more humility he shows, the more he will build himself up with that group.

President McKay:  That is good counsel.  He feels all right, and I wanted you to know.

President Richards:  I am glad, and I think we are taking the proper course, and it will work out; and I am sincerely hopeful that Brother Cornwall will get over his release and recognize it, and the great rewards of a great mission.  He has done a great service, and he is entitled to the rewards.

President McKay:  I feel all right today.  I am going to leave in the morning.

President Richards:  Have a good trip.  Thank you.  Goodby.

Sun., 15 Sept., 1957:

“At 8 a.m. I went to the Tabernacle to meet with the members of the Choir just before they went on the air for their weekly broadcast, with regard to the change of directorship of the Choir.  At this time I gave the following message to the Choir members:

The Officers and Members of the Choir:

I have no baton in my hand but I have come with a message to the officers and members of the Choir.  For over two years the First Presidency has had under consideration the advisability of making a change in the directorship of the Choir, but it was thought advisable that Brother Spencer Cornwall should have the responsibility and the honor of directing the now famous European tour made by this organization.  It was a climax to many years of great service, not only to the Choir, but to the Church.

Last week, Brother Cornwall was interviewed for the purpose of ascertaining his feelings regarding the most appropriate time to make a change.  He answered, ‘As of now.’  In accordance with this expressed desire, the First Presidency sent him notice of his honorable release Saturday, September 14th.

I should like to say this in tribute to this great leader:  The contribution that the Choir has made under J. Spencer Cornwall’s direction to the promotion of good will for the Church, both nationally and internationally, cannot adequately be measured.  Brother Cornwall has reason for deep, abiding satisfaction for the highly important part he has played in bringing a reputation for culture, and refinement to the Church that could scarcely be brought about in any other way.

He is acclaimed by thousands the world over for his skillful, artistic conducting of our Choir.  His 22 years of devoted service as director of this renowned organization will forever stand as a monument to him in the annals of music in the history of the Church.

Elder Richard P. Condie, assistant chorister, has been chosen as leader of the Choir.

As a matter of information you will be interested to know that prior to the leadership of Brother Evan Stephens there were seven leaders of the Choir.  I will not take time this morning to read their names nor the tenure of service of each.  Evan Stephens took charge in 1890 and served for 26 years.  Anthony Lund served from 1916 to 1935.  Brother Cornwall has served from 1935 to 1957 — the second longest term in the history of the Choir.

This information leads us to say leaders may come, leaders may go, but the Choir continues constantly.  We trust that you will give unstinted service in the future as you have in the past, show your loyalty and unselfishness to the Church as well as to the Choir.

Every effort will be put forth to sustain Brother Condie, his assistant who may yet be chosen, the officers of the Choir, and you faithful members.  Yours is a great mission, none greater in the musical world today than the position and service now held and rendered by this renowned group.

We love Brother Cornwall.  He goes out with honors, and we propose to let all that honor continue with him as it will in future history.

God bless the new leader and every member and officer of this institution that it may continue to exert its influences not only upon the Church but upon the nation and nations of the world.  I leave you my blessing.  We felt that you should have this information today and know conditions as they are.  The fact that the change might seem somewhat precipitous is now explained by the fact that Brother Cornwall preferred immediate action.

(see newspaper clippings following)  

(see letters following) 

Sunday, September 15, 1957.

September 13, 1957

Elder J. Spencer Cornwall, Conductor

Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir

Dear Brother Cornwall:

We extend to you an honorable release as Conductor of the Tabernacle Choir.  We look upon your long term of service as an extended mission performed for the Church of Christ and the Latter-day establishment of his Kingdom.  The contribution which the Choir has made under your direction to the promotion of good will for the Church, both nationally and internationally, cannot adequately be measured.  It has helped to open countless doors to our missionaries, and thus has been a factor in bringing unnumbered people to membership in the Church.  It has brought a reputation for culture and refinement to the Church that could scarcely have been brought about in any other way.  You have reason for deep abiding satisfaction for the highly important part you have played in this great enterprise.  We are sure you are acclaimed by thousands the world over for your skillful, artistic conduct of our Choir.

Broadcasting, however, has not been the only means by which the Choir has served the Church.  The beautiful and lofty music which it has brought to the General Conferences, fulfilling the high expectations of the members of the Church, the comfort derived from appropriate music at funeral services, and the sweet and inspiring influence coming from the participation of the Choir on many special occasions, have combined to build for it a place in the hearts of all the people, scarcely equalled by any other Church-wide organization.

In all of this beautiful service you have been blessed to be the director for more than 20 years.  We deem it advisable to bring your assignment to a close at the very height of your successful leadership.  Please be assured that you have our deep appreciation for your long and splendid service.  We speak for the whole Church when we extend to you our gratitude and blessings and an earnest desire for yuor future well-being.

Sincerely your brethren,

David O. McKay

Stephen L. Richards

J. Reuben Clark, Jr.

The First Presidency

Sunday, September 15, 1957

The following letter, addressed to the Presidency, came to me in the mail September 18, 1957, from Brother J. Spencer Cornwall:

To the Presidency of the Church.

Dear Brethren:

I have received the letter of release as Tabernacle Choir Conductor.  May I express my unbounded gratefulness to you for your kind tolerance of me in this greatest of all musical positions.  In this situation it is the position which makes the man and not the man who makes the position.  The prestige one receives from the opportunities provided by this magnificent calling one could never create on his own no matter what his proficiency.  Therefore, I am grateful beyond measure that was singled out to enjoy these special blessings.

I have recounted over and over again the many, many accomplishments of the Choir in the field of their calling as the official choir of the Church, and also as a concert choir at home and away from home, even abroad, as a Radio choir on the longest sustaining program on the air, as a recording choir, as a participant in television performances such as ‘Wide, Wide World’ and in motion pictures such as ‘Cinerama’.  Without your sustaining me as the conductor of the Choir in all these performances, I would have been just another musician.  How can I thank you adequately?

Richard Condie whom you have chosen to succeed me is a fine person – well trained for the position.  He has been with me constantly in all rehearsals and performances for twenty years and in that time has learned, I am sure, many procedures which we have found to be successful.  I wish for him signal success.

For the past two years, at the suggestion of Bro. Parry of the Deseret Book Store, I have been compiling material for a comprehensive history of the Choir.  It is now compiled.  I have been astonished at the vast amount of information which has been written about the Choir.  No other choir in the world has such a history.  I could not have put together this treatise had I not have been conductor of the Choir.  Again I thank you.

And now may I say that many of the activities which I have recounted have reached climaxes.  In such cases they represent culminations of projects; therefore you have done the right thing in releasing me at this time.  I feel entirely reconciled.

In all the varied experiences with the Choir, and the necessary preparation which I have had to make, I have learned much.  This knowledge and training is my chief asset now.  If I am still worthy, I should like to offer my capabilities, whatever they are, to you and the Church to use in any way you see fit.

Just one more item.  It is evident, as we think of the future, that the Choir membership should be somewhat reorganized.  During the past two months I have taken preliminary steps to accomplish this.  Due to fine friendships which I have made with choir members, this is the task I have dreaded most of any of my entire career.  By releasing me, you have spared me this ordeal.  I shall always be grateful to you.

For all that I have written above and much more, I express to you my sincere appreciation.

Your brother,

/s/ J. Spencer Cornwall”

Telephone conversation with President Stephen L. Richards, Wednesday, September 18, 1957.  (President McKay was in Laguna Beach, California.)

President Richards:  Good morning, President McKay; how are you?

President McKay:  Very well, thank you.

President Richards:  President Clark and I are here at the desk, and I have just reported a conversation with Brother Isaacson, and we thought we ought to call you about it.

Yesterday Brother Condie came to Brother Isaacson.  He said he came to him for his counsel not only because he is a General Authority, but because of the University, and he said that the head of the Music Department at the Unversity of Utah (Dr. LeRoy Robertson) had said to Brother Condie, ‘Now that you have taken a full-time job as the Director of the Choir, we shall have to replace you here at the University.’  Brother Condie said he was very much disturbed by that because at sixty-seven he gets a retirement that has been built up.  I believe his is fifty-nine now, and that would mean a great deal to him financially, and then he told Brother Isaacson what we have kept quiet that you had told him his appointment was on a temporary basis and it would not last too long; now he said if he only takes a temporary appointment for two years and loses his position at the University, then he would be in a financial fix.

President McKay:  Brother Evans and I talked about that coming to California the other day.  Brother Evans was authorized to telephone Brother Condie and tell him to go on with his work at the University.

President Richards:  Apparently that will not be sufficient to satisfy Dr. Robertson.  Robertson says that there are some illustrations at the University of the doctrine that where a man takes a major position outside, he cannot hold down his position at the ‘U’.  It looks very much like Dr. Robertson is using this against Dr. Condie.  Brother Isaacson called up Brother Robertson and asked him to please not take any positive position or action in this matter, and Dr. Robertson argued with him stating that Dr. Condie is taking a major position and under the regulations of the University he would have to decide between his positions.  Brother Isaacson tried to reason with him and stated that this is a different case than the other examples.  But Dr. Robertson said, ‘Well, Dr. Olpin, the President of the University, would have the final decision.’

In talking this matter over with Brother Isaacson and President Clark this morning we wondered if it would not safeguard Brother Condie’s postion for you to call Dr. Olpin and confidentially tell him.  I know we agreed to keep the temporary engagement on a confidential basis.  You would have to tell him that there are limitations to time and that under the circumstances it would be very greatly appreciated.

President McKay:  I will be glad to call him this morning.  Now, we thought perhaps that would safeguard any action, even if Brother Robertson would want to use to get rid of Brother Condie at the University.  We shall have to tell Dr. Olpin about the temporary appointment, for the good of Brother Condie to keep that retirement.  Brother Condie should be told to go right ahead with his work.

President Richards:  Brother Condie thought he could give up some lessons.  He thinks he can give full time at the University as in the past and that the University won’t suffer.  It is our understanding that Brother Condie only works part time at the University now.  It could also be pointed out that this new position of Brother Condie’s would enhance him in stature and information by the fact that he is Director of this Choir.  We do not want Brother Condie to lose his retirement.  We would be in a very difficult position when we make the next change of a Director of the Choir if Brother Condie lost his retirement now.  Brother Isaacson is a Regent of the University.  I believe you might do something at least to save Condie’s position.  If you were to tell Brother Olpin the facts he will see that Brother Condie’s position at the University is maintained.

President McKay:  I shall call him right away.

A few minutes later President McKay called President Richards from Laguna.

President McKay:  I have just been in touch with President Olpin, and he had not heard anything about it.  Therefore, if it is necessary they can give Brother Condie a leave of absence for the time, and he can go back.  He will not lose his right to retirement, so he will arrange that all right.

President Richards:  That will be a great relief to Brother Condie.  I believe he is on part time.

President McKay:  Now, I did not know that, but even if full time, he can have a leave of absence by going to Dr. Olpin directly.

President Richards:  Even if there is some desire to get rid of him, it will make it difficult.

President McKay:  He asked permission to tell Brother Durham.  He promised to keep it confidential.  Brother Durham is the head of that department.

President Richards:  That will spread it all over now.

President McKay:  That us probably necessary for his salvation.

President Richards:  All right.  Thank you.  Goodby.

Wednesday, September 25, 1957

Telephone conversation with Brother Richard P. Condie, Wednesday, September 25, 1957.

President McKay:  I just received your letter regarding the room in the Tabernacle which Brother Cornwall occupied, and which you say will be vacated today or tomorrow.  Brother Barker is arranging rooms over there for the M.I.A. and the Sunday School.  We have asked him to look into the matter for us.  We would like you to have that room unless we have given it way, anticipating the change.  We shall have a room for you in any case.

Brother Condie:  I know you will.  I just thought I would tell you that that room is very well suited to my needs.  It has the piano there already and I thought if it were convenient it would be less trouble to just use it.

President McKay:  I am just calling to let you know it is being investigated.  I remember, though somewhat indistinctly, that something was said about Brother Cornwall’s room.  It is possible we have given our word that someone else may use it.  However, Brother Barker has been asked to make inquiry.  How are you getting along?

Brother Condie:  I was happy Thursday night.  There was a fine turnout – almost everyone was there.  In fact, it was nearly a record attendance.  It seems to be coming along.  Both Thursday and Sunday were satisfying.  I have heard no bad reports.

President McKay:  We want you to win them.

Brother Condie:  I shall do my best.

President McKay:  I heard one of your worst enemies making a comment.  Do you want to hear it?

Brother Condie:  I surely would.

President McKay:  That you lose your temper and scold them – that you have a Scotch temper perhaps.  So I am telling you.

Brother Condie:  I shall try to keep it under control.

President McKay:  You know Pope has a saying about such things:  ‘Your own defects to know, make use of every friend and foe.’

Brother Condie:  President, I certainly appreciate what you have done for me.  I assure you I shall do my best.

President McKay:  We want the Choir to go on and rise to even higher heights.

Brother Condie:  I shall see what I can do.  Thank you, President.

Note:  Just prior to this conversation, President McKay called Brother Howard Barker, who is in charge of rearrangement of rooms in the Tabernacle, to make inquiry as to whether or not the room used by Brother Cornwall has been promised to either the Mutual (Young Men’s MIA) or to the Sunday School.

Wednesday, September 25, 1957.

Telephone conversation with Bishop Thorpe B. Isaacson, Wednesday, September 25, 1957.

President McKay:  Good morning, Bishop.

Bishop Isaacson:  Good morning, President.

President McKay:  When did Brother Cornwall speak to you about the piano, on what day?   

Bishop Isaacson:  I think it was last Friday, the 20th.

President McKay:  What word did he use in view of the treatment he had received?

Bishop Isaacson:  I cannot remember whether he said ‘harsh’ or not.  I do not recall the word.  I know what he meant and that was that he had not been treated right, and that is when I talked to him as I did.

President McKay:  You do not remember the word.

Bishop Isaacson:  I do not remember, President, I wish I could.

President McKay:  It wasn’t inconsiderate.

Bishop Isaacson:  No, I don’t think so.

President McKay:  At any rate, in view of the treatment he feels he has received, he felt that he merits that piano.

Bishop Isaacson:  Yes.  When he finished talking with me, he said, ‘maybe I had better forget it.’  I do not think he will say anything more about it.  That is the way I thought I left him.  He said in the beginning, ‘In view of the treatment I have received,’ or something like that.  That was his intentions at first, but then I told him of what I had read in the paper about what you had said about him, and I said ‘you will never have anything finer said at your funeral.’  ‘You should be very happy.’  I thought I left him feeling differently.  I may have underestimated him.  I thought he felt a little shamed about asking about it when he left.

Friday night following your talk and dedication of the monument we have everything arranged so you will not be detained if it is agreeable.  Your car will be facing north so you will not have any delay.

President McKay:  All right, thank you very much.”

September 26, 1957

President David O. McKay

Closing of Conference

CONFIDENTIAL

Minutes

Council Meeting

Thursday, September 26, 1957

The regular weekly meeting of the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve convened in the temple at 10:00 a.m.

Letters Regarding Retirement of Elder J. Spencer Cornwall

There was read for the information of the Council a copy of the First Presidency’s letter of September 13, 1957 to Elder J. Spencer Cornwall, extending him an honorable release as Conductor of the Tabernacle Choir; also a letter from Elder Cornwall accepting his release, and expressing his gratitude for the privilege he had had of directing the Choir, and indicating his loyalty to Brother Richard P. Condie who has been selected as his successor.

In this connection, President McKay said that the First Presidency had thought it well to let Brother Richard P. Condie have an opportunity to lead the Choir, as he has not had much opportunity in the past, and in consequence there has not been harmony among the officers of the Choir.  Brother Condie was told that we had in mind the reorganization of the directorship of the Choir, but we felt he should have at least a short tenure as head of the Choir; that he might continue as an Assistant, which position he now holds, until a successor is appointed; that he might be made director pro tem; or he could be the director of the Choir, but he should have in mind that there will be a reorganization of the directorship in or about two years from now, not to exceed two years.  He was given the privilege of making his own choice.  He said that he would take the Directorship of the Choir.  He indicated that he had looked forward to holding this position.

Brother Condie asked the question if, in the event he makes a success of the Choir during the two-year period, he might continue as the Director.  President McKay told him the answer to that is no; that we should have an understanding now because we do not want to have any ill feelings when the reorganization takes place.

President McKay said we should not spread this word around, although some people seem already to have a knowledge of it; and that we should give our full support to Brother Condie in this position.

President Richards commented that he felt the virture of all this is that it leaves us open to search for the most promising leadership for the Choir that it is possible to find in the Church.

Mon., 7 Oct., 1957:

“At 7:30 this morning, met by appointment at his request, Allen Cornwall, son of Spencer Cornwall.  He asked for an explanation as to why his father had been released.  I replied ‘because it is the most opportune time after 20 years’ service for him to receive his honorable release — it has come just at the height of his success.’

Brother Cornwall then went on to say that he and his folks could not understand why their father at the height of his success should be released especially when the 20 years’ experience would add to his capability as a director.

I answered:  ‘That is a matter of opinion, and in consideration of Spencer Cornwall’s ‘glory’ now is the most opportune time for him to step out and let somebody else carry the responsibility of directorship.’

I then asked him if he had seen his father’s reply to the First Presidency, and he said, ‘Yes, my father told me about it.’

I stated that his father is in accord with the action taken, and is glad that the release has come in view of the changes that must be made in the personnel of the choir, he feeling that he is too close to them to extend a release to the different members.

Brother Cornwall left apparently pretty well satisfied.  He, at least, expressed himself that way.”     

Thursday, January 30, 1958

Announcement of Tabernacle Choir Eastern Tour

8:45 p.m.  Went to the Tabernacle where I met with the Tabernacle Choir who were gathered for their regular rehearsal.

During their intermission period, I announced to the members of the Choir that they will visit the following cities for a concert tour:  

Wichita and Kansas City, Kansas

Columbus, Ohio

Washington, D.C.

Baltimore, Maryland

Philadelphia, Pa.

New York City, N.Y.

Boston, Ma

Toronto, Canada 

Detroit and Chicago, Illinois

That they will give 15 or more concerts between October 20 and November 11, 1958.

I also announced that the tour will include two concerts in Philadelphia and one in New York with the Philadelphia Orchestra, one of the two or three greatest orchestras of the world.  Some recordings will also be made for Columbia records with the Philadelphia orchestra.

I remarked that these concerts and recordings with the Philadelphia Orchestra will be in places of great tradition, prestige, and significance–in the American Academy of Music in Philadelphia and in Carnegie Hall in New York.

I remarked that these concerts and recordings with the Philadelphia Orchestra will be in places of great tradition, prestige, and significance–in the American Academy of Music in Philadelphia and in Carnegie Hall in New York.

Mr. Eugene Ormandy, conductor of the Philadelphia orchestra, Mr. Don Engle, its Business Manager and Mr. Louchheim, President of the American Academy of Music, have been most gracious and most cooperative, and have gone so far as to say that they hope this is just the beginning of a continuing relationship of these two great cultural institutions.

I told the members that this will be a year of dedication for all of those who make the trip–for there will have to be many more than the usual number of rehearsals to learn the music and perfect the performance for the recordings and the concerts.

European Tour in 1955

I mentioned the great missionary work the Choir had done on their tour in Europe and reported to them the following statement given by Brother Harold W. Lee, recently released President of the French Mission, to the First Presidency a few days ago when he was making a report of his Mission–he said:

‘Before the choir came to Europe, the newspaper articles in France were very often, but not always, unfavorable to the Church.  However, as soon as the Choir had sung the first concert in Europe, the articles were more or less neutral, just quoting what otheres had said.

‘After the choir had sung in Paris, the newspaper articles became most favorable.  There were 125 newspaper write-ups on the concert itself, and these articles have been sent to the Historian’s Office in the Church Office Building.  Since that time nearly all the articles have been favorable, and none have been slanderous.

‘We think the Choir is one of the greatest things that ever ‘hit’ Europe.

I left my blessing with the Choir and then departed for home.

(see following newspaper clippings regarding the Choir’s Trip to the East)”

Thursday, July 10, 1958.

Items discussed with President McKay by Elders Richards L. Evans and Mark E. Petersen:

Eastern Tour of the Tabernacle Choir

Agency which submitted the lowest of three bids.  He approved of Elders Evans and Petersen proceeding with Rulon Tingey to draw on Church funds for this project within the limits of the budget previously presented.  (see letter of April 3, 1958.)  (see note on previous page re: awarding of contract to Jack Thomas)

Fri., 18 July, 1958:

11:15 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.  Conference with Elder Richard P. Condie.  Elder Richard P. Condie, Tabernacle Choir Conductor, came to the office at my request.  I read to him a telegram which I received this morning as follows:

‘President David O. McKay, 47 East south Temple Street:  Choir members were shocked tonight to learn that Brother Condie is throwing out J. Spencer Cornwall’s arrangement of ‘Come, Come Ye Saints.’  Stop.  He has degraded himself before all of us by carrying his grudge so completely.  Stop.  We still love Brother Cornwall and it is a slap in our faces as well as his to shelve such beautiful music.  Stop.  We ask you to give judgment to this act of spite before we are forced to sing a very bland and uninspiring arrangement on the Sunday morning broadcast.  (singed – ’37 Tabernacle Choir members.’  no names listed)

Brother Condie said that he is having the Choir sing the regular hymn as it has always been sung; that he had no intention of hurting Brother Cornwall whatever; that he does not see why the Choir must sing Cornwall’s arrangement of the hymn every time it is sung.

I told Brother Condie to go right ahead with his plans, and that we should say nothing whatever about the telegram – to just ignore it.

I then asked Brother Condie about the complaint that has come this morning that the Tabernacle choir is singing on the 24th of July celebration with the Jelsinik orchestra.  Brother Condie answered that he knew nothing about it whatever; that the choir is not singing with the Jelsinik orchestra, and that if he were arranging to have an orchestra accompany the Tabernacle Choir that he certainly would clear the matter through the First Presidency before he arranged for anything of the kind.

I told Brother Condie to go ahead with his plans; that the matter is in his hands.”

Tues., 30 Sept., 1958:

Tuesday, September 30, 1958.

“Telephone conversation with Elder Ezra Taft Benson, Washington, D.C., Tuesday, September 30, 1958.

Brother Benson:  I was at a luncheon today, seated beside the President over at the White House, and he whispered to me that he was writing me a note inviting the Tabernacle Choir to sing in the White House Sunday evening.  I had approached him earlier at the suggestion of Robert R. Mullen who is representing the Church here in helping to arrange the tour of the choir as you probably know.

President McKay:  Yes.

Brother Benson:  And Mullen had asked me on behalf of the church if I would speak to the President about it.  I wrote the President a memo and then later spoke to him and I did have an acknowledgment saying that while October would be a busy month, he hoped he might be able to have the pleasure of hearing them, and today was the first affirmative word I have had from him, and he said he would follow it with a note.

President McKay:  That is fine.

Brother Benson:  But he said he was definitely making plans to have them at the White House the evening of the 26th.

President McKay:  October 26th?

Brother Benson:  Now, that is the time that was suggested I think by the Choir officials and Robert Mullen.

President McKay:  Yes.

Brother Benson:  They are going to broadcast from the chapel here that morning, that is the Sunday morning.

President McKay:  Yes.

Brother Benson:  And I think they sing also in Constitution Hall here on Saturday.  Either Saturday or Monday, I am not sure which.

President McKay:  Yes.

Brother Benson:  But anyway Sunday evening is free.  And I have a note here from Bob Mullen today in which he said that they have reserved Saturday afternoon for sight-seeing.

President McKay:  This will be Sunday evening at about what time?

Brother Benson:  Well, I do not know the exact hour until I get the memo from the President.

President McKay:  I see.

Brother Benson:  He would have to check with someone on his staff who is working out the details.

President McKay:  That is lovely.  I thank you very much for calling me.

Brother Benson:  I though you would like to know as far in advance as possible, and as soon as I get the details I will either give them to Mr. Mullen or send them on direct to you or both.

President McKay:  I shall appreciate it very much.

Brother Benson:  All right, Brother McKay.

President McKay:  Thank you.

Brother Benson:  How are you feeling?

President McKay:  I am feeling very well today thank you.

Brother Benson:  Oh, that is fine.

President McKay:  How are you?  All right?

Brother Benson:  Just fine.  I hope Sister McKay is feeling better.

President McKay:  She is better.  Yes, thank you.

Brother Benson:  Give our love and blessings to her.

President McKay:  I gave them to her the other day, and she sends hers to you and Sister Benson.

Brother Benson:  Thank you very much.

President McKay:  Now, I received your letter the other day.  I do not know whether I shall be in California when the President is there or not, but I should like to.

Brother Benson:  Well, I do not know that he has finally decided yet, but he told me today he was definitely going to the National Corn Picking Contest which I have been urging him to attend which would be on the 17th, I believe, of October and then will probably go on to California.

President McKay:  I see.

Brother Benson:  And I don’t know what the details of his plans will be.

President McKay:  Well, thank you very much Brother Benson.  I am very happy to get this word.

Brother Benson:  All right,  President McKay.

President McKay:  Good-bye.

Brother Benson:  Good-bye.”

Sun., 12 Oct., 1958:

“8:30 a.m.  Greeted and shook hands with Elder Robert Wright who just returned from the Swiss-Austrian Mission, and also with his twin brother, Elder Richards Wright, who returned from the British Mission a few months ago.  These young men are a credit to the Church and their family.

9:30 a.m.  Went over to the Tabernacle to listen to the regular broadcast of the Tabernacle Choir.

Before attended the Choir Broadcast, I met at the office Elder Ezra Taft Benson where for twenty minutes he consulted with me about his work in Washington.  He brought to my attention a copy of the Washington Farm Reporter (Report No. 839) of October 4, 1958 in which some statements regarding ‘Mr. Benson’s remarkable political come-back’ – that in New York there is ‘considerable interest in Benson as a potential Republican presidential candidate for 1960.’

In our conversation I said to Brother Benson ‘Do not seek the candidacy; let them come to you and if they do, we shall consider it.’

Brother Benson then said that President Eisenhower has invited the Choir members to sing at the White House during their Concert tour of the East and Canada, but there will not be room for the whole of those to sing before the President in the White House.”

Sun., 26 Oct., 1958:

Sunday, October 26, 1958

THE WHITE HOUSE

      Washington

November 1, 1958

Dear President McKay:

I shall not apologize for this long delay in writing you regarding the appearance, last Sunday evening, of the Mormon choir at the White House since I know you fully understand the full schedule that I have had.

But I do not want another day to pass without expressing to you, and through you to the members of the Choir, the warm thanks of Mrs. Eisenhower and myself, and of our guests of the evening, for a most enjoyable and memorable evening.

With personal regard,

Sincerely,

/signed/ Dwight D. Eisenhower

Mr. David O. McKay

President

Church of Jesus Christ of

 Latter-day Saints

47 East South Temple Street

Salt Lake City, Utah

(Original letter is in the scrapbook)

Sunday, October 26, 1958.

November 3, 1958

Dear Brother Benson:

Thank you for your note of October 27, 1958 and for the clippings enclosed therewith concerning the Tabernacle Choir.  Thank you also for your telephone message from the White House.

We rejoice with you in the phenomenal success of the choir on this American Tour.

With kindest personal regards and all good wishes,

Affectionately,

David O. McKay

President

Honorable Ezra Taft Benson

1907 Quincy Street, N.W.

Washington 11, D.C.”

Thursday, November 13, 1958

President McKay made the following report:

. . . .

President McKay read a letter he had received from President Dwight D. Eisenhower in which he expressed warm thanks on behalf of himself, Mrs. Eisenhower, and their guests at the White House for ‘a most memorable and enjoyable evening’ given them by the Tabernacle Choir.

President McKay also said that he had received a letter from Mr. Arthur Hayes of Columbia Broadcasting System, in which he expressed appreciation for the appearance of the Tabernacle Choir at the luncheon meeting of CBS affiliates convention held at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel.

Thursday, November 13, 1958

Remarks made by President David O. McKay to the Tabernacle Choir, in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, at their first rehearsal after returning from their Grand American Concert Tour, Thursday evening, November 13, 1958.

Governor Clyde

Mayor Stewart

President Glazier

Brother Cannon

Brother Hewlett

Brother Pearson

Fellow members of the General Authorities

Brother Condie

Members of the choir…………

Tributes have been paid to the organists, members of committees, chairmen of committees….all have stood up and been honored tonight at the request of Brother Evans.  Brother Evans, Brother Hewlett, Brother Jack Thomas, all stood up.  I suggest now we all pay tribute to Richard Evans and all members of the Choir who did not stand up before–stand up now.

It is something to have tributes paid by the representatives–by the leaders of the State, to receive tribute from the Governor of this State in behalf of the people of the State; official welcome by the Salt Lake City members, by the citizens of Salt Lake City—represented by the Mayor; by the businessmen…represented by the President of the Chamber of Commerce; Salt Lake County…represented by Commissioner Cannon.

It is my privilege now to welcome you in behalf of the General Authorities of the Church and the entire membership of our Church!

There are feelings and a few thoughts which cannot be expressed in words.  When a thought is clear it can be expressed, but there are feelings which cannot be expressed in words, and each of these dignitaries tonight who has expressed his tribute to you has had feelings of appreciation deeper even than their eloquence expressed in words.  It is because of the inadequacy of words to express feelings that we have music.  It is one of God’s great gifts to man.  It is the fourth great need of the human soul.  The first great need is for food; the second, is for raiment; the third, is for shelter; and the fourth, is for music.

No group of singers, no group of any organization has represented with higher honor, with more dignity, nor with truer culture the State of Utah and the Church, particularly, than the Tabernacle Choir.  I witnessed it in Europe, and I know the feeling that you radiated on this latest concert tour–the spirit of culture.  I have noted on this trip, particularly, that you have reached millions, and made an impression upon them that will be remembered so long as they live.

We have all been thrilled with the expressions of the audiences, and the high tributes paid.  I have some of them here before me.  It is wonderful to hear a man who understands music–thrilled by it, refer to the Tabernacle Choir as ‘the greatest gathering of music lovers in Wichita’s history…singing to 12,100 persons in an evening of mounting climaxes and breath-taking vocal beauty of spiritual simplicity and complete dedication.*** Art of unparalleled beauty and eloquence, altogether thrilling.  We marvelled at the Choir’s sonority, purity of tone, flawless precision.’

But what pleased me above all the tributes was the reference to the Choir’s success in St. Louis, Missouri–‘Impressive in appearance, impressive in performance, it sang with blend, and balance, and cohesion…but above all, it had heart.’  Later that same idea was mentioned by another writer — the spiritual element — ‘The greatest musical experience I have ever known — they sang as if they were inspired, and they inspired the audience with their radiation.’

You impressed critics, musical critics, and lovers of music as perhaps no other music body in the world, so far as we know, have impressed their audiences.  The critics had some fault to find, of course.  The only fault I noticed was the arrangement in program or change in program once in awhile … but always your critics recognized, so far as I could see, something about you.  You were giving of yourselves, not in order to impress, but in order to inspire.  In other words, you carried to the millions in this country who heard you, that something which characterizes the restored Gospel…missionaries!  That was the key of your success.

I haven’t words to express in behalf of the Church how deeply the members of this Church, and particularly, the General Authorities, appreciate the message which you have given the last twenty-three days.  How you have endured it, I do not know … twenty concerts in 23 days besides your recordings with the orchestra, and besides your trip over to New York to the CBS officials.  I was surprised to hear that you had three meals a day … I don’t believe you had time.  You would have to take some of those meals in your hands and eat while you were going to the train.  No wonder they were ‘scrambled eggs’ …I am glad they would hang together.  (laughter)

Thank you, members of the Choir, for this great missionary effort…, you officers, and those who had charge of transportation, you who arranged for hotels, and you members of the Choir … each one.

Now, I have the honor to extend to you the appreciation of the President of the United States, and before doing it however, I wish to perform a duty… a request from the President of CBS Radio, who on November 6 wrote the following:

‘I couldn’t let the occasion go by without telling about the terrific impression the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir made at the luncheon during our affiliates convention at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.  This was most appropriate entertainment.

‘Since the Choir has been associated with radio broadcasting for so many years, CBS Radio is proud that the last 25 years was on our network.

‘I heard many people say that they had never witnessed anything as impressive at a luncheon.  Better than 250 people from stations all over the country listened with rapt attention, and the tremendous applause spoke better than I can of the impression on the audience.

‘We are most thankful to Jay Wright for arranging this treat, but I did want to convey my thanks, through you, to all those who participated.

Arthur Hall Hayes

President, CBS Radio’

And now from the President of the United States this tribute, dated November 1, 1958:

‘Dear President McKay:

‘I shall not apologize for this long delay in writing regarding the appearance last Sunday evening of the Mormon Choir at the White House since I know you fully understand the full schedule that I have had, but I did not want another day to pass wtihout expressing to you, and through you to the members of the Choir, the warm thanks of Mrs. Eisenhower and myself and of our guests of the evening, for a most enjoyable and memorable evening.

Signed…Dwight D. Eisenhower’

And so I congratulate you tonight.  I commend you for having achieved an enviable, the most successful, the highest achievement of your career.  God bless you, and may you continue in this great service which expresses those feelings of the heart which  are too deep for expression.

Brother Condie, I wish to pay tribute to you for your loyalty to duty.  Take our love to your wife who endured your absence during that time, and will you members express our appreciation to each — your mother, or perhaps your grandmother, your eldest daughter, or to the member of the family who remained home to take care of your duties while you rendered your service to the nation, to the State, to the Church.

I pray God to continue to bless and protect you as he has done on this trip…on future trips that await your service.  God bless you!” 

Wed., 19 Nov., 1958:

“Telephone Calls – Tabernacle Choir

1.  Elder Ezra Taft Benson called from Washington regarding the Choir and the possibility of their going to the Russian Fair as a part of the prospective trade and cultural exhibition program of the United States and Russia.  (see following conversation)

I feel that there is no objection to the Choir taking such a trip.  However, I made no mention of taking the Choir to the Scandinavian countries and Czechoslovakia, although that was mentioned by Brother Benson.

I feel that the Lord is opening up the way for a favorable introduction of the Church into Russia.

Wednesday, November 19, 1958.

Telephone conversation with Elder Ezra Taft Benson.

Brother Benson:  How are you, President McKay?

President McKay:  Very well, thank you.

Brother Benson:  How is that good eye coming?

President McKay:  In another week I think I shall have my glasses.

Brother Benson:  I hope you will be careful.  I do not know whether that kind of advice takes with you.

President McKay:  I think I am careful, but my wife and my counsellors think I am very careless.

Brother Benson:  I wanted to call you regarding the Choir and the Russian Fair.  I do not know whether you are familiar with the fact that our Government is negotiating now with the Government of Russia regarding a prospective trade and cultural exhibition.

President McKay:  I have heard something about it.

Brother Benson:  It is tentatively set for next summer in Moscow.  After the President had heard the Choir sing in the White House, I made the comment to him that in our planning with Russia it would be a lovely thing to have this Choir included.  He seemed enthused about it.  Now in the meantime we have had some contact with some of the people in the State Department.  They are just now trying to work out plans as to what groups they would send over if they are successful in working out their general arrangements with the Russians.  I have talked to Bob Mullen who, as you know, is doing some publicity work for the Church here in Washington.  It is my feeling, President, before we go any further on this, we should get an expression from you as to whether you would look with favor upon it.  We had thought that if it could be worked out, it may be that the Choir could take in the countries of Norway, Sweden, Finland on the way and Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Austria on the way back.  That is very tentative and very general.  I think that before we take the matter up more formally with the State Department it would be well to determine whether or not you feel it would be favorable from the standpoint of the Church.

President McKay:  What about the expense?

Brother Benson:  That is one of the questions which the State Department has raised with us.  They would not have any labor union problems with the Choir as they are voluntary workers.  They have indicated more recently that probably it would not be a serious problem.  They would have some funds for their work.  That is one of the problems that will have to be discussed.

President McKay:  If the expenses can be worked out certainly I look upon it with favor.

Brother Benson:  Would you care to consider it and maybe discuss it with some of your associates.

President McKay:  You let us know about how the expenses will be taken care of, and we shall let you know.  If that can be arranged, I think we can let them go.  I think it would be a good thing.

Brother Benson:  Can we say the Church would look upon it favorably if the expense can be worked out?

President McKay:  I think it would be wonderful if they could go.

Brother Benson:  It appears now that they will be framing up plans within the next month.

President McKay:  All right, you tell them we look with favor on it.

Brother Benson:  That will be fine.

President McKay:  Let us know how many?  We should like to have about the same number that went back East.

Brother Benson:  That is the full choir.  And would you think that you would look with favor on them going to these other countries?  When they went before did the countries pay part of the expense?

President McKay:  No, we paid all of it.  The Choir consented to help pay the expenses.  They paid all their expenses on this trip.

Brother Benson:  In Europe did they charge for the concerts?

President McKay:  Oh, yes.

Brother Benson:  I see.  That was the means of helping to finance the trip.  Maybe a similar arrangement could be made.  I think the appearance at the fair in Russia would be without charge.  We will discuss it further with the people in the State Department.

President McKay:  How will they finance other groups?

Brother Benson:  I think they pay the expenses in part.  They haven’t framed up any groups finally yet.  I do not think they have contacted any organizations formally until they work out the details with the Russians.

President McKay:  We shall look upon it with favor provided we can arrange the transportation.

Brother Benson:  Give my love to the Brethren when you meet tomorrow.

President McKay:  Thank you.  Is Sister Benson well?

Brother Benson:  We are all quite well.

President McKay:  Give my kind regards to them and to the President.

Brother Benson:  Thank you.  We have cabinet meeting at 8:30 in the morning.  I will convey your greetings to the President.”

Thurs., 20 Aug., 1959:

“Report on Richard P. Condie, Conductor of Tabernacle Choir, and former Conductor, J. Spencer Cornwall.

At Council meeting today a letter was read to the Brethren from the Advisors to the Music Committee suggesting the advisability of appointing the Director of the Tabernacle Choir as a member of the General Church Music Committee.

I related briefly conditions in connection with the release of Elder J. Spencer Cornwall nearly two years ago and explained that the First Presidency had decided to consult Brother Cornwall in regard to the advisability of his being honorably released as leader of the Choir, and it was decided that I should talk with him about the matter.  I called Brother Cornwall into the office and presented the matter, indicating that we were considering the advisability of a reorganization so far as the chorister of the Choir was concerned with the thought in mind of asking him when the change might wisely be made and whom he might suggest for his successor.  When the question was raised as to how this should be accomplished and when, Brother Cornwall answered very abruptly, ‘as of now!’  in answer to his retort, I said, ‘All right; it will be right now.’  I told him he should take charge of the Choir the following Sunday as certain appointments had been made.

Later, Brother Richard P. Condie was appointed as his successor, but having in mind the incidents relating to Brother Cornwall’s release, the First Presidency, in presenting the appointment to Brother Condie who manifested an excellent spirit, said that they would like him to take charge of the Choir for two years, and they would like to see what he could do in that time; that after two years his successor would be appointed.  Brother Condie made the response, ‘Suppose I make a success of it?’  In answer to his question I told him:  ‘You will be released in two years.’  Brother Condie accepted this in good spirit, and there was a record made of that conversation.  Now the two years will be up within a month or two.  Accordingly, the question now arises as to whether Brother Condie should be continued in this position.  I think that Brother Condie has done a very good job in directing the Choir; and in considering the matter this morning the First Presidency in their meeting felt that Brother Condie had given complete satisfaction, and had really done a wonderful job.

Brother Richard L. Evans said that he felt personally, not as a musician, but as one who has been closely tied to this situation for 30 years, that we have the best Choir singing today that we have had in that 30 years of time, and that recordings of the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Choir are now on the best-seller list across the nation, and are having a tremendous reception.  The Choir is happy and there is a sweet spirit among the members.  Said he felt that Brother Condie has done a remarkable job.  I presented to the Council the recommendation that we appoint Brother Condie a member of the General Church Music Committee, which implies that his two years will not end his service as Choir leader.

This was approved by the Council, after which I said that I believed that the sentiment of the Brethren represented the feelings of the Church generally — those who understand music especially.  The Choir members who were opposed to Brother Condie two years ago are now reporting that they have received more definite instruction and training than they have ever had before, and that there seems to be a general feeling that we are proud of our Choir and proud of Brother Condie and his achievements.  (See September 13, 1957, also Septebmer 6, 1957.)”

Tues., 1 Sept. 1959:

“9 a.m. to 10 a.m.

Elder Richard P. Condie, director of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir, met with the First Presidency this morning.  He explained that Jay Wright of KSL and Brother Richard L. Evans favor organizing 36 voices, selected from the Tabernacle Choir, to become a special chorus to provide musical programs for K.S.L. and for between 133 and 140 radio stations.  Brother Condie explained his position as being opposed to taking 36 members of the Tabernacle Choir for such a special chorus because the singers could not give the necessary time to additional rehearsals for the special group and the Tabernacle Choir as well without working a hardship upon them, and the selecting out of 36 singers for a special purpose will tend to make for cliques or factions within the Choir and the effect of these two factors will cause the Choir to disintegrate.  After Elder Condie had withdrawn from the meeting, we decided to call in Brother Richard L. Evans and learn his point of view about the matters.

Elder Condie to Continue as Director of Tabernacle Choir

While Elder Richard P. Condie was with us in meeting this morning, I asked, ‘When are your two years up?’  Brother Condie replied, ‘The fifteenth of September.’  I said: ‘Well, you go right on.’  Whereupon, Brother Condie said, ‘As one Scotsman to another, I love that.’  (See August 20, 1959 for discussion at Council meeting regarding retaining Brother Condie as Director)”

Fri., 8 Jan. 1960:

Telephone Call

Re:  Tabernacle Choir

Brother J. Willard Marriott called by telephone from Florida regarding the Tabernacle Choir’s participating in a dinner for President Dwight D. Eisenhower – A Republican fund-raising dinner–see notes following.  (see also copies of letters regarding this function.)

January 8, 1960

(Mr. J. Willard Marriott called early in regard to the Choir participating in Republican fund raising dinner)  (see copies of letters following)

(Conversation between Mr. Marriott and President McKay at 12:15 noon)

Bro. Marriott: ‘Hello’

Pres. McKay:  ‘Brother Marriott!’

Bro.  Marriott:  ‘Yes’

Pres. McKay:  You are right on the dot!’

Bro. Marriott: ‘Well, I thought you would be going out to lunch and I did not want to miss you.’

Pres. McKay:  ‘I think it is better if we do not get mixed up with this Republican entertainment in any way.  We can pay tribute to the President, but you can see the difficulty in this.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘Yes’  I understand there are some politics involved.’

Pres. McKay:  ‘That political element would prevent our doing what we would like to do.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘Well, I am glad I had an excuse to call you.’

Pres. McKay: ‘I am glad, too.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘I am glad to hear your voice.  Take care of yourself.’

Pres. McKay: ‘You do the same.’  ‘I’d like to see you.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘I’ll call in next time I am in town.’

Pres. McKay: ‘Will you please.  The Brethren send love and confidence.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘Give them my love and the same to you.’

Pres. McKay: ‘So does Sister McKay.’

Bro. Marriott: ‘Give her our love.  We hope to see you before long.’

Pres. McKay: ‘Good bye.’

January 8, 1960

January 4, 1960

Mr. Richard L. Evans

Church Music Committee

Church of Jesus Christ of

Latter-day Saints

47 East So. Temple Street

Salt Lake City, Utah

Dear Mr. Evans:

As requested during our phone conversation today, here are the details of the SALUTE TO EISENHOWER dinners, as discussed.

There will be about 75 dinners in different sections of the country, with an audience of probably 110,000.  The purpose of the dinner is to salute the President and recount the achievements of his administration and of course the final speech will be made by the President, himself.  He will be in attendance at the dinner in Los Angeles where 7,000 are expected.  The purpose of the dinner, besides the Salute, is for the raising of funds for the local and national Republican campaigns for the coming year, by selling the tickets to the dinners for $100 in some places and for $50 a plate in other places.

The Choir would be used on a closed circuit television show which would be carried over private telephone lines reserved for the purpose and delivered only to the dinners as scheduled.  It would be my plan, as producer of the closed circuit television show, to ask the Choir, in lieu of an invocation, to sing THE LORD’S Prayer and possibly one other number, and then at the end of the program after the President had finished speaking, to possibly lead us all in the singing of GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Ther would, of course, be an announcement made to indicate that the appearance of the Choir was as a mark of respect and a salute for the great job done by President Eisenhower and his administration and not, of course, a political endorsement of the Republican Party, if this is desired.

I am quite certain that the entire program will be an exciting, dignified demonstration of respect for the great job done by President Eisenhower and his administration and I am sure that the entire tone of the closed circuit production could be beautifully established by your magnificent organization.  I sincerely hope that it will be possible and that we can work out production details in the very near future.

The dinner is set for Wednesday, January 27th and the President himself will speak from Los Angeles, the Vice President will speak from Chicago.  Pick-ups will be made of other important dignitaries from Cleveland, Houston, Portland, Oregon, Boston and Detroit along with Los Angeles and Chicago, of course.  This will be, as far as I can find out, the largest closed circuit show ever attempted and I sincerely hope that the Choir will be part of it.

Respectfully,

George Murphy

GM:ej

January 8, 1960

MEMORANDUM

January 7, 1960

President David O. McKay

Building

Dear President:

I passed on to Mr. Murphy, Vice President of Desilu Productions, our regrets in not being able to participate in the closed circuit television presentation on January 27 ‘honoring President Eisenhower,’ which is in fact a Republican fund raising dinner.

He ingeniously came back with the proposition that they wanted to use the Choir for the singing of the Lord’s Prayer and perhaps one other song as an ‘invocation’–the implication being that surely anyone in the Church would be happy to offer an invocation for any occasion on which the President of the United States would appear.

I did not give him further encouragement, but I bring this point of view to you in case you feel we should reconsider.  If we were to do so, it would be necessary to do so within a day or two.

Mr. Murphy was in Washington when I talked to him by telephone Wednesday and in Detroit at the Ford Motor Company Thursday when I talked to him, and will be back at the Desilu Studios in Hollywood Friday, and apparently is moving in high government and industrial and political circles, as well as in top-level radio and television production, and seems to be a person of some considerable stature.

Sincerely,

Richard L. Evans

P.S. I think the matter is settled, unless we feel it wise to reopen it.

RLE

RLE:bh

Wed., 14 June 1961:

“9 a.m.

The regular meeting of the First Presidency was held.  The following are some of the items we took up:

6.  Tabernacle – assistant organist for Tabernacle Choir

I called attention to the need of an assistant organist for the Tabernacle Choir, and mentioned several who might be considered for this position.  I said that I felt that the matter should be investigated from every possible source.

Tues., 26 Sept. 1961:

“8:30 a.m.

Attended the meeting of the First Presidency.  Among many matters we considered the following:

2)  Tabernacle Choir and British Broadcasting Company – President Moyle reported that he had received a letter from President Woodbury of the British Mission regarding Mansel Thomas’ visit to Salt Lake City.  It seems that when Mr. Thomas was here he listened to the Tabernacle Choir at one of their Thursday evening rehearsals and he made the comment to the Choir that he had never heard such a choir in his life nor had he had such a great thrill as he did in directing one of the numbers of the men’s chorus at the rehearsal.  He made the comment that he wanted to see that this Choir is heard on the British Broadcasting network, and that he was going to see that this was accomplished.  President Woodbury said that since he had returned to England he has assured Brother Woodbury that that was his purpose.

Fri., 1 Mar. 1963:

“8:15 a.m.

Tabernacle Choir – Recordings

Brothers Ted Cannon, Assistant Manager of the Tabernacle Choir, and Richard P. Condie, Director, came in and reported that they had a request from the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra that the Tabernacle Choir participate with them in recording a Catholic Mass, but that they had declined their invitation.  Other proposals have been offered.  I told these brethren to get a statement in writing from the President of the Choir on the subject, and that they should present the matter to the Choir members.

Wed., 5 June 1963:

8:35 to 10:20 a.m.

California – Officers of Mormon Choir of Southern California – Trip to Israel

Was engaged in the meeting of the First Presidency.  By appointment Elder E. Reese Davis, counselor in the presidency of the Mormon Choir of Southern California, H. Frederick Davis, Director of the Choir, and Mr. Asher Z. Rahav, Western States Director of the Tourist Office of the Israel Government, came into the meeting.  Brother Reese Davis explained that he is substitute for Brother Robert Stephens, president of the Mormon Choir of Southern California, who is a member of the California Legislature, now in session, and who is unable, therefore, personally to come to this meeting with the First Presidency.

Brother Davis explained that Mr. Aaron Z. Propes, Director of Special Events and Festivals for the Israeli Government, heard the Mormon Choir of Southern California render the oratorio, The Messiah, in Southern California at Christmas time, and at that time orally gave the choir invitation to Israel next year, 1964, to participate in the Choir Festival which is a major attraction featured by the government organization in Israel in which other choirs have participated, and in which other cultural groups take part.

The oral invitation was later followed up with a written invitation from the Israeli Government.  Mr. Rahav explained that every four years the government of Israel conducts a festival at the Choir Assembly.  In 1964 the Government has decided to invite the Southern California Mormon Choir to participate.  The Assembly will take place in July, 1964.  In the past, choirs have been invited from Czechoslovakia, Sweden, Greece, Turkey, and four from the United States.

The festival runs three weeks.  Participants are guest of the Israeli Government at that time.  He explained also that Mr. Propes was very greatly impressed by the Mormon Choir of Southern California upon hearing its rendition of The Messiah. 

Reese Davis stated that the reason for their asking for this appointment with the First Presidency is to ask permission to go to Israel next year for this purpose.  In response to President Moyle’s question Brother Reese Davis explained that the cost of transportation to Israel will be paid from funds which the Choir will raise, and that the Choir does not expect a subsidy from the Church.

The plan is to fly both ways and be gone between two and one half to three weeks.  In response to President Brown’s inquiry as to whether or not members of the Choir include parents who would have to be away from their children, Brother Davis said there are several such parents in the Choir.  The plan is to take 146 people of the 167 members of the Choir, 146 being the capacity of the jet airliner which the Choir can charter.

Mr. Rahav said the Choir would have about four to seven performances, and it will be busy for about seven or eight days; and on the other days their time will be devoted to sight-seeing in Jerusalem and as far as Tel-Aviv.  Mr. Rahav also reviewed a suggestion made by Bishop Dyer of Southern California that a Memorial Forest be planted in Israel in honor of Orson Hyde’s having dedicated the land for the preaching of the gospel, and that land has been given for that purpose.

We thought that while the Choir was in Israel that project could be started and the forest dedicated.

The Choir Festival at which the Mormon Choir of Southern California would appear would be at the opening or at the closing of the International Music Festival, which is a feature on the occasion in 1964.  The composer, Stravinski, who has been commissioned to write the music for the occasion, will be present to conduct his music.  The International Music Festival is of world-wide renown.

In response to my inquiry as to who selects the repertoire which the Choir will sing, Mr. Rahav and Frederick Davis answered that Frederick Davis will make the selection for his Choir.

I asked what relationship this festival has to the advertising officials of the Cabinet of Premier Ben-Gurion.  Mr. Rahav said the Festival is being sponsored by the Government and that the advertising is being done by the Israeli press office.  Agencies in Israel will do the necessary advertising.  He explained that the expense of the Choir while its members are in Israel will be borne by the Government.  The members of the Choir and the directors are guests of the Israeli Government.

President Brown asked if the proposal to accept the invitation has been put to the vote of the Choir.  Brother Reese Davis answered in the affirmative.

Brother Frederick David explained that the Israeli Government and the Festival officials are anxious to know whether the choir will accept, and that is the reason the brethren have come this morning — to ask permission.  The Israeli Government is making its plans for the 1964 Festival.

I asked when the Choir would leave, and Frederick David said it would be near the middle of July, 1964.  Brother Reese Davis said it will be necessary to charter a jet airliner.

I then asked if the Festival officials will charge admission to the concerts.  Mr. Rahav said there will be charges, and all income will be devoted to paying the expenses incurred.  Usually there is no profit after the expenses are paid.

Reese David said, ‘We are to be guests of the Government of Israel.  Our only expense would be transportation and meals on the way which we would take care of ourselves.  We have already checked into some of the cost of transportation.  We have taken it up with our Choir members, and they feel it would be an honor to participate.  We did not ask for this, we were invited.  Our Choir members are going to make a supreme effort to participate in this Festival.’

He also explained that they have a year to raise their expenses; that personal expenses will be covered by the individual themselves.  It is expected that the year will be taken to raise the money.  If there are other costs such as lodging, they will plan their itinerary and find out what the cost will be.

I said that we shall take this under advisement and shall let them know later.

Mr. Rahav said, ‘An invitation will be extended to you to visit Israel,’ and I answered that two or three invitations have been extended to me by letter and through Franklin J. Murdock, Travel Agent.

Mr. Rahav said he had told Mr. Koleck, who is director-general in the office of Prime Minister Ben-Gurion, that he would be going to Salt Lake City, and Mr. Koleck asked him to extend invitation to me.

Reese Davis exhibited copies of the Choir’s programs and concerts in Las Vegas last month, and in San Francisco in March, and a copy of the Choir News, issued on the special occasion when the Choir was giving The Messiah.

I called attention to the headline in which the Choir is referred to as ‘The Mormon Choir’.  H. Frederick Davis said, ‘We do not say ‘Mormon Tabernacle Choir,’ and I said a differentiation of the Choirs should be made.  I also commented upon the newspaper’s reference to the Mormon Choir of Southern California as serving ‘the Mormon Colony’ of Southern California.  Frederick Davis said he had seen reference to ‘the Mormon community of Southern California,’ but this is the first time the word ‘colony’ had been used.

President Moyle said that is ‘Hollywood’, which refers to ‘movie colony.’

Brother Reese Davis expressed appreciation for the kindness of the First Presidency in receiving them into their busy schedule of the day.  He said, ‘We are anxious to let the Israeli Government know if we can accept the invitation, and if we cannot we will make other plans.  If we can we will make plans for this trip.  We appreciate the time you have given us, and we bring you the love and greetings of the members of the Choir’.  I asked him to take our greetings to them.

After the delegation had withdrawn from the meeting, I asked for the impressions of Presidents Moyle and Brown upon the subject.  President Moyle commented upon the cost of the transportation of the Choir, and said it will come from our people.  President Brown said it will be quite a missionary effort, and will introduce us to the people of Israel, and I said, ‘Yes, it will introduce us to the whole nation, and the Israeli Government would like us to come for advertising purposes; that, however, I should like the members to have the trip to the Holy Land.’

President Brown said, ‘It will be a wonderful experience for all of them, a trip most of them would never get in any other way.’

President Moyle asked if there was any purpose in talking with the officers of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir about it.  He said, ‘I have no objection to having them go, but I agree with President Brown that it will undoubtedly be a fine missionary effort, and it will give them the privilege of seeing the Holy Land.’

President Brown said, ‘I do not know how it will affect the Tabernacle Choir.’

I referred to the publicity of the California Intermountain News as indicative of the publicity from which people will regard the Southern California Choir as the Mormon Choir as far as they are concerned.  From Israel’s standpoint, they will emphasize that.

President Moyle queried whether we are a one-Choir Church; or may be we will have more than one Choir to represent us.

I answered, ‘There is only one Tabernacle Choir, and that is known throughout the world.’

President Moyle said the people throughout the world will not differentiate.

I then commented upon the advisability of bringing the publicity of the California Intermountain News into line.  President Moyle referred to his conference meeting with the stake presidents of Southern California about the California Intermountain News, and with Ned Redding who manifested humility and practicability and willingness to cooperate.

I stated that I think we should have a meeting with the president of the Choir, the Choir leader, and Brother Richard L. Evans tomorrow morning; that I should like to meet them at 8:00 tomorrow morning, and then present the matter to the Twelve at our meeting later, and take counsel before we render a decision, because I think this is merely an advertising scheme on the part of the Government of Israel.

President Brown said:  ‘It is also advertising for us if we do a good job.’

I said that they will do a good job.

I directed that a long distance telephone call be put in for Brother Isaac M. Stewart, President of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir.  Upon its being completed, Brother Stewart gave me assurance that he will be in Salt Lake City tomorrow morning for the meeting.

Thurs., 6 June 1963:

“8:30 a.m.

Regarding Invitation of Choir of Southern California to Sing at Music Festival in Israel in 1964.

By appointment, Elder Isaac M. Stewart, President of the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir, Elder Richard P. Condie, Choir Conductor, and Elder Richard L. Evans, came into the meeting.  I explained to these brethren that they had asked to attend this meeting to counsel with the First Presidency in the matter of the invitation to the Mormon Choir of Southern California to participate in the Choir Festival of the Government of Israel in July, 1964.  I reviewed the facts of the invitation to the Choir and samples of newspaper advertising containing references to the Choir as the Mormon Choir of Southern California were exhibited.

I commented that the California Choir will receive international attention, and it also will be a good opportunity for the members of the Choir, and said that we had called them in this morning to ask their suggestions regarding this matter; that we had not given our consent, nor have we opposed it.

Brother Stewart said that with the approval of the First Presidency, recordings of the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir of the rendition ‘This Is My Country’, which includes the anthems of many nations, including Israel, had been sent to the countries involved, and that he has received acknowledgment and expressions of appreciation from the embassies or from the officers of the Governments, including Israel and France.  He read the personal acknowledgments which had come from Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion of Israel, and Premier Charles DeGaulle of France, which have included the request ‘to have their appreciation and greeting expressed to President David O. McKay.’

Brother Stewart said that for many years he has been concerned about the misunderstanding and confusion in the minds of the people who hear the Choir, and who think it is the Mormon Tabernacle Choir of Salt Lake City.  He cited specific instances of public misunderstanding and the unfavorable results which follow when people discover that they have been confused.

Elder Richard L. Evans commented upon the growing popularity of recordings of the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir, and the likelihood of increasing confusion on the part of the public from a continuation of the Mormon Choir of Southern California being referred to as the Mormon Choir.  Brother Evans also commented upon the interest of recording companies to capitalize upon the growing success of recordings of the Salt lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir by bringing out recordings of renditions of other Mormon choirs by which the public is further confused.  He suggested that all the phrases identifying the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir be registered as a trademark so that the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir can control them and that organizations cannot become confused with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

I suggested that if the Southern California Choir received permission to accept the invitation, it can be granted on condition that all advertising be in the name of the Southern California Choir without reference to the Church of the word ‘Mormon.’  Brother Stewart said in that case they cannot be stopped and that it would be up to them.  President Moyle said then they would not need our consent; that it would be wise to eliminate the world ‘Mormon’.  They are then free to do anything they please, as they would not be representing the Church.  He commented upon the Southern California Choir giving concerts to raise building funds.

In response, I asked Brother Condie how he feels about the matter, and Brother Condie said he agrees with Brother Stewart and Brother Evans, that the Southern California Choir’s advertising does mislead the public.  He said he would like to go on record that he did not feel anything against them; that he did not regard them as competitive, and that they seem to be trying to get on the coat-tails so to speak of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

Brother Stewart exhibited a display placard used in Las Vegas advertising ‘The Mormon Choir — the World-Famous Choir’.  He expressed the opinion that the Choir is a group of individuals going out as members of the Church, which all of them may be, but which some may not be members of the Church.  Their whole capitalization is on the Mormon name.  He said he thought the only reason they were invited to Israel is that they have the name ‘Mormon’.

Brother Stewart explained that every country whose anthem is recorded on the Tabernacle Choir record ‘This Is My Country’, will receive the recording as a gift.  President Moyle suggested that Lady Reading be given one.  Brother Stewart reminded him that President Moyle had taken one to England for her.  President Moyle then recalled that he had delivered it to President Hanks to be presented to Lady Reading.  Brother Stewart exhibited a scrapbook of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir’s recent tour.

I referred to the suggestion to register the various names by which the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir is known, and after discussion it was agreed that this be done, and I said that the Southern California Choir can then be informed that if they want to accept the invitation to Israel that they do so under the title, ‘Southern California Choir.’  I asked that Brothers Stewart, Condie and Evans prepare letters on the subject relating to the registering of the title of the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

President Moyle read from the minutes of the Council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve on March 21, 1963, relating to Brother Lee’s report that Brother Stevens had informed him of the invitation received by the Southern California Choir to sing at the Choir Festival in Israel in 1964.  Brother Lee’s comment to him that the brethren take the view that any move the Church makes officially to recognize Israel as a nation would only create antagonism on the part of the Arab countries, and that Brother Stephens and Brother Davis, the leader of the Choir, may call on the Presidency about the invitation.

Brother Stewart suggested that to clarify the matter, if it would be the general policy of the Church that Ward or Stake choirs do not use the word ‘Mormon’ or ‘Latter-day Saint’ in the title would apply to all Church Choirs and would not be a step against the Southern California Choir only.

I said the Wards and Stakes can be informed that application is made for registering the name, and that this should be done at once.

Brother Stewart was asked to prepare the proposed letters and to submit them to the First Presidency and the matter will be presented to the Twelve.

Later, Brother Isaac Stewart returned to the meeting with letters proposed to be sent over the signature of the First Presidency relating to the registering and use of titles reserved to the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir.  Proposed letters to Brother Stevens of the Southern California Choir were also presented and read.  These letters were approved by the First Presidency to be prepared for their signature. 

Brother Stewart was informed that the legal application for the registration of the titles will be handled by the Church legal department.  (see following copy of letters sent to all Stake Presidents; also copies of letters sent to Robert S. Stephens, President of Southern California Choir; also newspaper clipping.)  (see also copy of letter of reply from Southern California Choir.)

The following is a report made on the above subject by President McKay at the meeting of the First Presidency and Council of the Twelve held in the Salt Lake Temple, Thursday June 13, 1963:

President McKay reported that a letter was sent by the First Presidency to Presidents of Stakes, a copy of it to go to Brother Robert Stephens, President of the Mormon Choir of Southern California.  The President said that to avoid further misunderstanding and confusion on the part of the public, we have come to the conclusion that the word ‘Mormon’ and related terms and phrases pertaining to the Church should not be used by other musical organizations, excepting the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir.  He said that this action arises from various reactions from the public which indicate a misunderstanding as to the identity of various musical groups that do concerts and recordings and other musical performances.  The Presidency therefore requested that these organizations discontinue the word ‘Mormon’ or other official Church terminology in the titles of their organizations.  The President said that this becomes a general policy of the Church pertaining to all choirs and choruses.

President McKay referred to a visit to the First Presidency by one of the counselors in the presidency of the Southern California Choir, also the director, Frederick Davis, and a representative of the Israel government who is an advertising agent for that organization.  The President felt that undoubtedly many of the people in the Near East would look upon the Southern California Choir as the famous Mormon Choir, this Southern California Choir having been invited to sing at a festival in Israel in 1964.  The President also mentioned that in some of the advertising by the Southern California Choir the impression is given that the choir is the famous Mormon Choir.  The President said that we have also requested our legal counsel to take steps to copyright the title of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and related terms and phrases pertaining to the Church so that the terminology will not be used by other organizations.

Tabernacle Choir – Cities on 1964 Tour List

Elder Richard L . Evans asked permission to present to the First Presidency the list of cities from which a selection will be made in which concerts of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir will be given in 1964, following the Choir’s appearance at the New York World’s Fair.  The cities are Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Atlanta, Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, Roanoke, Greenville, St. Louis, New York, Rochester, Palmyra, Boston, a city in Vermont, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, and Minneapolis.  Brother Stewart explained that this will be a two-week tour by air, the two weeks to include the appearance at the New York Word’s Fair in 1964.  President McKay asked if there is any objection, and there being none he indicated approval of the list.  Brother Stewart said the Choir will not appear at the World’s Fair in 1965, it will be at the Fair July 24, 1964.

Mission Presidents – Missionary Committee to make Recommendations For Release and Appointments to First Presidency.

I referred to letters of appointment and release prepared to be sent to Mission Presidents, and said that the Missionary Committee will make its recommendations for new Mission Presidents to the First Presidency, and that the First Presidency should conduct the interviews before calls are issued and letters of release and call are sent out.”

Thurs., 6 June 1963:

“June 7, 1963

TO PRESIDENTS OF STAKES

Dear Brethren:

To avoid further misunderstanding and confusion on the part of the public, we have come to the conclusion that the word ‘Mormon’ and related terms and phrases pertaining to the Church should not be used by musical organizations other than the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

This arises from various reactions from the public which indicate a manifest misunderstanding as to the identity of various musical groups that do concerts and recordings and other musical performances.

We therefore request that any musical organization that includes in its designation the word ‘Mormon’ or other official Church terminology, discontinue the use of such terminology.

This becomes a general policy of the Church pertaining to all choirs and choruses.

Faithfully your brethren,

David O. McKay

Henry D. Moyle

Hugh B. Brown

The First Presidency

Thursday, June 6, 1963

June 7, 1963

Mr. Robert S. Stevens

1245 Glendon Avenue

Los Angeles 24, California

Dear Brother Stevens:

We have considered your request for permission for your Southern California Choir to respond to an invitation to visit and sing in Israel.

In considering this request, we would feel the necessity of bringing to your attention our letter of even date pertaining to the elimination of the word ‘Mormon’ and all related Church terminology from the title of your Choir.

Since, therefore, Southern California Choir would not carry an official Church designation, we feel that the determination as to whether or not you accept the invitation to go to Israel is a matter that should be left for your decision.

Faithfully your brethren,

David O. McKay

Henry D. Moyle

Hugh B. Brown

The First Presidency

Thursday, June 6, 1963

June 7, 1963

Mr. Robert S. Stevens

1245 Glendon Avenue

Los Angeles 24, California

Dear Brother Stevens:

To avoid further misunderstanding and confusion on the part of the public, we have come to the conclusion that the word ‘Mormon’ and related terms and phrases pertaining to the Church should not be used by other musical organizations except the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

This arises from various reactions from the public which indicate a manifest misunderstanding as to the identify of various musical groups that do concerts and recordings and other musical performances.

We therefore request that you discontinue the word ‘Mormon’ or other official Church terminology from the Southern California Choir’s name, as of now.

This become a general policy of the Church pertaining to all choirs and choruses.

We have been aware of your excellent service, and feel that you will understand this action is necessary in order to clear up the misunderstanding and confusion that has become evident on the part of the public.

Faithfully your brethren,

David O. McKay

Henry D. Moyle

Hugh B. Brown

The First Presidency

Thursday, June 6, 1963

POLICY SET IN USE OF WORD ‘MORMON’

A letter over the signature of the First Presidency went recently to all stake presidencies appraising them of a general policy in the use of the word ‘Mormon’ by choirs, choruses or other musical organizations.

The letter follows:

TO PRESIDENTS OF STAKES

Dear Brethren:

To avoid further misunderstanding and confusion on the part of the public, we have come to the conclusion that the word ‘Mormon’ and related terms and phrases pertaining to the Church should not be used by musical organizations other than the Salt Lake Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

This arises from various reactions from the public which indicate a manifest misunderstanding as to the identity of various musical groups that do concerts and recordings and other musical performances.

We therefore request that any musical organization that includes in its designation the word ‘Mormon’ or other official Church terminology, discontinue the use of such terminology.

This become a general policy of the Church pertaining to all choirs and choruses.

Faithfully your brethren,

David O. McKay

Henry D. Moyle

Hugh B. Brown

The First Presidency

Deseret News – Church Section, Saturday, June 28, 1963″

Tues., 3 Sept. 1963:

“11:45 to 12:30 p.m.

Elder Howard W. Hunter, by appointment, brought into the meeting the following delegation:  President Austin Gudmundsen, Robert L. Stevens, President of the Southern California Choir, and President Arvo Van Alstyne.

Brother Stevens explained that they had come in response to a recent letter of the First Presidency (see Diary June 6, 1963), requesting that the Southern California Choir no longer use the name ‘Mormon’ identifying it with the Church.  He said this prospect has had a great impact upon the Choir, which has been doing excellent missionary work for the Church, and that if the Choir has no identification as a missionary arm of the Church, all motivation for the people’s coming out to sing and perform will be lost and the choir will fall apart.  He said they were very much interested in the future of the group and its missionary effort.

I explained that it is a good choir, but that it should not be conducted under any false colors.

Brother Stevens said that he has been President of the Choir for five years, and that every effort has been made to eliminate all possible confusion with the Tabernacle Choir, and that they have tried to control any publicity to avoid confusion.

I answered, ‘But the people not under your control take advantage.’

Brother Stevens said, ‘We know it has happened as in Las Vegas last spring.  The Bishop wrote that it got beyond their control when some enthusiastic person put out some posters with just ‘Mormon Choir’.  They called this in just as soon as they could.  This happens very rarely.  In fifteen years of singing, it has not happened very often.  We have tried not to have it happen wherever we could control it.’

I referred to the late occasion when the invitation to sing in Israel came to the choir and the effort of Israel anticipating the choir’s trip was to use it for publicity purposes.

Brother Stevens said the Choir has given up the idea of the Israel trip and that they have said no without any reluctance.

I commented upon this as an instance of how the matter can get beyond control.

Brother Stevens said that whenever the problem has arisen which involves the policy of the Church, he has inquired of President Gudmundsen, advisor to the choir, and sometimes with Brother Hinckley and Brother Howard Hunter, and the choir has always conformed strictly to the policy and direction given by the First Presidency, and that it is their desire now to comply with the wishes of the First Presidency.

President Brown inquired if there is any alternative plan, and Brother Stevens said if they could have a name which would emphasize the geographical location of the Choir, it might well eliminate possible confusion of identity.  If the choir should be called the Southern California Mormon Choir, this ought to direct the attention of the public to the geographical location and might eliminate any confusion.  They would also establish controls over publicity in connection with the services given by the Choir.  They have commitments for next year in Fresno and Los Angeles, and they think they could tighten up on the publicity.  They would require that all newspaper releases, posters and programs would have to be submitted for approval.

President Brown said, ‘You can emphasize ‘Southern California’ and reduce ‘Mormon Choir’.’

Brother Stevens said they have kindly feelings toward the Tabernacle Choir and that they look upon them as the great Choir.  He said when the Tabernacle Choir went to Europe, the Choir in Southern California held a concert in Wilshire Ward and sent up $2,000 for the Tabernacle Choir.  He said they did not want to do anything to hurt the Choir in its relations.

I said that there was no doubt about the fact that they have a name of which they can be proud, and a very good reputation, but that it is the use the public makes to advertize for local purposes to take advantage of the use of the ‘Mormon Choir.’

Brother Stevens said he thought they could control that more than it has been controlled and that on all the programs they send out to local stakes and organizations for their programs, they could require that they submit everything that is to be printed.

I inquired about the effect of the registration of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir name, and President Moyle said that this has been turned over to the Legal Department, and though they have not sent any report, he presumed that it was going forward.  The question was primarily with respect to the sale of records.  He said that people would buy records on the assumption that they were getting the records of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir and letters of complaint would come into the office they had bought the record presuming it was a recording of the Salt Lake Tabernacle Choir, but they found out they were not.  President Moyle expressed the opinion that it will not affect the registration of the Tabernacle Choir’s name at all and that it would be a question as to whether they could register their own name.  He said he thought it could be so drawn up that they could both be registered so that they could register in the name of the Southern California Mormon Choir.  Legally speaking, their registration and the power to exercise any enforcement by way of protecting the registered name would like with the First Presidency and it could be controlled without affecting the registration.

Brother Howard W. Hunter said that what President Moyle is referring to is not of this Choir.  The release of the album was the Mormon Choir of Los Altos.  President Moyle explained that the letter was written because the condition was growing.  Brother Stevens explained that some years ago the Southern California Choir had an album out but there was no public distribution of the records.

President Van Alstyne said he had talked with President Anderson of the California Mission whose experience has been in the entertainment industry and they found that confusion of identity and prestige rating can be avoided when they develop a well defined system for requiring all contracts for publicity purposes to provide for the name of the chief star in a motion picture to be of a certain size with other words 50% or 40% in size to be controlled by the size of the name in which the main star appears.  They have avoided confusion as a primary matter in the entertainment industry and thus have prevented loss of stars’ status.  President Van Alstyne said it seemed to him that this kind of an arrangement can be worked out and that there could be a standard clause in all contracts requiring a similar arrangement for the words ‘Southern California’ to be emphasized, and the word ‘Mormon’ at least 50 or 40% the size of the other name.

President Moyle asked if it is contemplated that the Choir will make records in the future.  President Gudmundsen said it is clearly a matter of policy.  President Van Alstyne said they would feel that for the benefits of the missionary efforts of this Choir in Southern California, they would be perfectly happy if the choir made no records of any kind.  Brother Stevens said they had not planned on being a recording group.  He said Capitol Records had approached them and they checked with Salt Lake City, and thereafter they did not comply, and that they have no intention of making any albums.

I commented that some firm could take advantage of the name that way, and the unsuspecting public would be misled.  Brother Stevens said the confusion could be stopped and the advertising controlled.

I said the First Presidency does not want to do anything to lessen the ardor of the Southern California Choir, and that we are not unmindful of the services rendered as a missionary factor, but that we do not want anyone to take advantage of the name ‘Mormon’.

Brother Stevens said the Choir could control advertising and publicity, and that in the agreements with the Stakes for fund raising and concerts under the sponsorship of some stakes, this could be made clear.  The choir has raised at least $100,000 for various funds.  Brother Stevens explained that the choir raised $25,000 for the Los Angeles Musical Center, and has raised a lot of money for the Church.  He said that on August 10, the Choir sang in the Hollywood Bowl with the Hollywood Symphony Orchestra.  There were 15,000 people in attendance and the number which received the greatest ovation was ‘Come, Come Ye Saints’.

Brother Hunter said he had watched the choir since its beginning and that it is a fine musical organization.  He said the critics give it the highest acclaim, and it has climbed up until it is now at the top in Southern California.  The Choir’s rendition of the ‘Messiah’ at the auditorium each year has become traditional.  Their fear is that if they have no longer any affiliation or connection with the Church they cannot hold out themselves as a Choir any longer.  They are not singing just because they enjoy singing, but they consider themselves missionaries.  They are raising the dignity of the Church to a very high level among the people who are at the top socially there.  The Chandlers and others like them look to the Church and ask us to do things for them.

President Van Alstyne said it is the loyalty of the members of the Choir to the Church and their realization of what it can do to associate the Church in the minds of the people in their area, to open the doors to the missionaries which brings them together.

The Choir members travel sometimes one hundred miles to seven hundred miles to a concert.

President Moyle commented that there are some people who are opposed to the use of the word ‘Mormon’ and that these people are fighting for the right to use it.  He said he is in favor of letting them use it.

I said there is no objection to members of the Church using the word ‘Mormon’, but we do not want outside firms or others to misuse it, and that they shall have to emphasize ‘Southern California’.

President Van Alstyne commented that Brother Stevens is a lawyer.  President Gudmundsen expressed appreciation for the opportunity of meeting with the First Presidency and said they had been gravely concerned about this matter, that the people are loyal, wonderful Latter-day Saints with great spirit.  They are devoted to the Church, and he thought they may be even a little more diligent than they were before, hoping they can get a change in the decision of the First Presidency.

I said they should now emphasize ‘Southern California’, and that it should be used to avoid all possible misuse of the word ‘Mormon’.

Brother Stevens asked if it would be a good thing for this delegation to have a letter.  Brother Howard Hunter said the people could be told that permission has been given and that he would not refer to this meeting.  President Van Alstyne said they could say permission was given to proceed and to work out a policy.

However, on September 9, 1963, we sent a letter under the signature of the First Presidency, stipulating under what conditions this Choir may use the word ‘Mormon’.

Tuesday, September 3, 1963

September 9, 1963

Mr. Robert Stevens, President

Mormon Choir of Southern California

10586 Ohio Avenue

Los Angeles 24, California

Dear Brother Stevens:

Referring to your recent conference with the First Presidency at which time Elder Howard W. Hunter and Presidents Austin Gudmundsen and Arvo Van Alstyne were also present, we are pleased herewith to confirm the decision made at that time regarding the designation of the choir in Southern California, namely, that subject to the following conditions the choir may be given the name of the Southern California Mormon Choir, thus emphasizing the geographical location of the choir and eliminating possible confusion of identity:

1.  That in publicizing the organization and its concerts the words ‘Southern California’ be emphasized and the word ‘Mormon’ be printed in smaller size type.  It is understood that there will be a standard clause in all contracts requiring such an arrangement in connection with advertising the choir.

2.  That in the agreements with stakes and other organizations for fund raising concerts the advertising and publicity would be controlled so that there would be no misunderstanding as to the choir that would give the concerts.

3.  That all newspaper releases, posters and programs, be submitted for approval to the president of the choir and associated officials in order that improper  publicity might be eliminated and any confusion as between the Southern California Choir and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir be avoided.

4.  In the event any records are made by the Southern California Choir every proper precaution will be taken to avoid any misunderstanding as to the organization that is making the recordings.

Sincerely yours,

David O. McKay

Henry D. Moyle

Hugh B. Brown

The First Presidency

Tues., 4 Feb. 1964:

Tabernacle Choir – President Lyndon B. Johnson’s request to President McKay that the Tabernacle Choir sing for him in The White House.

President Brown mentioned that Elder Richard L. Evans had brought to him and President Tanner a memorandum of the Tabernacle Choir’s scheduled tour in the East.  In this connection, President Tanner said that he had told Brother Evans when he was in his office Saturday morning that President Lyndon B. Johnson had told me that he would like the Choir to sing at The White House, and that I had said to President Johnson that if that were his wish it would be arranged.  As a result Brother Evans said that inasmuch as they have set up their itinerary for July when they are going to the World’s Fair, if President Johnson wanted the Choir to sing at The White House, arrangements could be made for them to do so July 23, as they were supposed to be a free night for the Choir.  Elder Evans is asking whether we are prepared to release the story on this White House visit right away.  It was decided to send a telegram to President Johnson referring to his suggestion that the Choir visit the White House and telling him that it could be available on July 23, if agreeable to President Johnson.  The telegram read as follows:

‘Honorable Lyndon B. Johnson, President

The White House

Washington, D.C.

In keeping with your suggestion last

Friday, can arrange to have the Choir

at The White House July 23.  Please

let us know if this will be agreeable.

President David O. McKay’

Tues., 11 Feb. 1964:

“Johnson, President Lyndon B. – Telegram From Assistant to

Clare called me at the apartment and read the following telegram which had been received from President Johnson:

‘President David O. McKay (February 11, 1964)

Church of Jesus Christ of Letter-day Saints

47 East South Temple

Salt Lake City, Utah

President does want Choir here July 23.  Mrs.

Bess Abell will be in contact with your office

shortly.

(signed)  Bill Moyers,

Assistant to the President’

I called Dr. Richard P. Condie, Conductor of the Tabernacle Choir, and read this telegram to him.”

Thurs., 31 Dec. 1964:

“8:30 a.m.

President Tanner and I met in my private office for the regular meeting of the First Presidency, President Brown being in California for the Holidays.

Tabernacle Choir – Invitation to Sing at President Lyndon B. Johnson’s Inaugural Ceremonies

Before we got started with our meeting, I received a call from Brother Isaac M. Stewart, President of the Tabernacle Choir, who was in California.  He said that Senator Frank E. Moss of Washington, D.C. had contacted him and said that President Lyndon B. Johnson has requested that the Tabernacle Choir sing at the Inauguration in Washington, D.C. on January 20, 1965.

Brother Stewart said that Senator Moss will call me from Washington and that he wants to speak with President Tanner also.  If permission is given for the Choir to go to Washington, Brother Stewart would like to go ahead with arrangements for lodging for the Choir members.  The expenses will be paid from Washington.  (See letter from Brother Stewart and announcement following.)

9:05 a.m.

Senator Frank E. Moss called from Washington, D.C. and spoke to President Tanner who was in my office.  He stated that President Johnson has requested that the Choir sing at the Inaugural Ceremonies.  Senator Moss said he felt that this is quite an honor, and hoped that I would give my consent for the Choir to accept the invitation.

I told President Tanner to tell Senator Moss that I take the position that if we receive an invitation, we shall accept it.  Senator Moss then asked that no announcements will be made at present – not until the invitation has been sent out.  He said he just wanted to know right now if the Choir would be given permission to accept the invitation, because he has to arrange for the Choir’s lodging. 

Senator Moss then asked that President Tanner give his best wishes to me, at which time I took the phone and had the following conversation with Senator Moss:

Senator Moss to President McKay:  ‘Oh, President McKay, Happy New Year!’

President McKay: ‘Happy New Year to you!’

Senator Moss: “I am delighted to wish you a Happy New Year!  It is wonderful that the Choir is invited to sing at the Inauguration.’

President McKay: ‘If President Johnson has requested it, it will be an

honor for the Choir to sing.’

Senator Moss: ‘Yes, the President requested that the Choir sing.’

President McKay: ‘We shall then wait for the invitation.’

Senator Moss: ‘Thank you, and again Happy New Year!, also to your

sweet wife.’

President McKay: ‘Thank you.  Happy New Year!’

Following the conversation with Senator Moss, I said that I considered the invitation an honor and that the Choir would be pleased to sing at the Inaugural in response to the President’s invitation.

Wed., 20 Jan. 1965:

4:00 p.m.

Telephone Call from President Lyndon B. Johnson

I was surprised to receive a telephone call from President Lyndon B. Johnson from The White House, Washington, D.C.  It was indeed gratifying that he would call during this unusually busy time, right in the midst of his inaugural activities, to tell me that I was in his thoughts during his Inaugural Address, and to express appreciation for the singing of the Tabernacle Choir.  (For details, see following notes.)

Wednesday, January 20, 1965

Telephone Call From President Johnson

At 4:00 p.m. I was surprised to receive a telephone call from the President of the United States (Lyndon B. Johnson) who had been inaugurated in services between 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon today.

President Johnson said:  ‘Dr. McKay, I want you to know that I was thinking of you during the time I was delivering my address, and I think you will be pleased to know that the singing of the Tabernacle Choir was the best thing connected with the Inaugural Ceremonies — they did wonderfully well.  They had a very difficult time in getting here and they were worn out, but their physical discomforts were not reflected in their voices.  You can be might proud of your work with them, and the whole world heard them by Telstar, television, and radio.  I think you will be getting some very fine reports about them.’

President McKay answered, ‘I am highly honored to received this call.  I am thankful to know that you were satisfied with the singing of the Choir, and to know that I was in your thoughts during this busy time.’

The President Johnson inquired regarding Mrs. McKay’s health, and President McKay answered, ‘She is by my side,’ and President Johnson said, ‘Let me talk to her.’  President Johnson then told Mrs. McKay how pleased he was with the singing of the Choir, and repeated to her that it was one of the finest things connected with the Inaugural Ceremonies, and Mrs. McKay said how happy she was that the President was pleased with the singing of the Choir.  He then said, ‘Take care of my good friend President McKay.’

At this point, Mrs. McKay handed the phone to President McKay, and he again talked to President Johnson, who said to him, ‘You take care of yourself, we want you to know that we are thinking of you.’  He expressed again his appreciation for the singing of the Choir and for their contribution to the Inaugural Ceremonies, and President McKay said again, ‘I am honored with this call.’

President Johnson said, ‘God bless you, President McKay’, and President McKay answered, ‘The Lord continue to bless you.’

President Johnson then said, ‘Good night, and give my love to Mrs. McKay.’

Wednesday, January 20, 1965

THE WHITE HOUSE

        Washington

    January 26, 1965

Dear President McKay:

I cannot find the words to express to you the pride that swelled in my heart last week, when, after taking the oath of the highest office of the land, I sat and listened to the wonderful and majestic voices of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

It was a moment of inspiration that will live with me — and with Mrs. Johnson — for the rest of our days.  I am glad that the country — through television and radio — could share that beautiful moment with us, because I am sure it made all Americans proud of their land and the beauty and strength our America has produced.

Our day was marred only by your absence but the personal strength we have taken from you in the past was present — and very real — for both Mrs. Johnson and me.  Our best wishes and prayers are with you and we are thankful that the choir could participate in this Inaugural Ceremony, for their participation had a personal meaning to us both.

Sincerely,

        /s/Lyndon B. Johnson

President David O. McKay

Church of Jesus Christ of

Latter-Day Saints

47 East South Temple

Salt Lake City, Utah

Wednesday, January 20, 1965

February 15, 1965

My dear Mr. President:

Your letter of January 26, 1965, was handed to me upon my return from California where Mrs. McKay and I have been taking a short respite under doctors’ orders.

I want you to know that I deeply appreciate your taking the time to write to me expressing again Mrs. Johnson’s and your appreciation for the singing of the Tabernacle Choir at your Inaugural Ceremonies.  I am grateful to know that the Choir’s participation added to the significance of that occasion, and had a ‘personal meaning’ to you and Mrs. Johnson.  Your thinking of me at this time and your interest and prayers in my behalf mean much to me.

Mrs. McKay joins me in extending greetings and best wishes to you and Mrs. Johnson, and in sending our prayerful wishes for your continued health and guidance.

Affectionately,

David O. McKay

(President)

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The White House

Washington, D.C.”

Wednesday, March 10, 1965

Report of Interview with Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson

Items reported for the record of the First Presidency, Wednesday, March 10, 1965, at 8:30 a.m.

Frank W. Asper’s Release as Organist

President Tanner stated that Frank W. Asper had called on him this morning relative to the First Presidency’s letter of March 1, 1965 extending to him a release as one of the Tabernacle organists, and notifying him that he had been given the title of Tabernacle Organist Emeritus.  President Tanner told Brother Asper that we expected him to be on call at any time but that his new position was not a full time job.  He asked about parking space on North Temple and President Tanner told him he could continue to park his car there for the time being.  President Tanner also asked him to inquire about his insurance as he was not informed as to what the insurance regulations are and this would have to be governed by the agreement the Church has with the insurance company.  President Tanner told him that we would pay him $600 a month.  Brother Asper manifested a very fine spirit and said that he had appreciated very much the First Presidency’s letter and felt that he was very well treated.

Tues., 27 Apr. 1965:

Tabernacle Choir – Centennial Celebration in Canada

Reference was made to a suggestion that had been made to President Talmage Jones of the Western Canadian Mission that the Tabernacle Choir sing at the Canadian Centennial celebration which is to be held in Canada over a period of six months, starting April 28, 1967.  President Jones inquires whether or not he should pursue the matter further.  The Centennial Commission has suggested that it would be preferable if the Choir went to Canada under some official auspices of the United States.  It was decided to turn this matter over to the President of the Choir, Isaac M. Stewart, for his consideration and recommendation.

I said, however, that if the Centennial Committee were disposed to pay the expenses of the trip I could see no objection to the Choir accepting the offer provided the Choir is favorable to doing so.

Wed., 7 July 1965:

“8:30 to 10:45 a.m.

Held a meeting with my Counselors.  Among matters discussed during this time were:

Tabernacle Choir

President Brown mentioned that that Tabernacle Choir has made a commitment to go to San Francisco on Monday, August 30.  This announcement has been made to the members of the Choir.  The First Presidency had previously given their consent to this appointment.

Fri., 9 June 1967:

Note by CM

Tribute to President McKay and the Tabernacle Choir by Mr. Eugene Ormandy, one of the World’s Most Celebrated Music Directors and Conductors.

Eugene Ormandy, who is here in Salt Lake City with the Philadelphia Orchestra to make some recordings with the Tabernacle Choir and also to give one concert, paid the following compliment to the Tabernacle Choir before a large audience in the Tabernacle at the end of a tumultuous ovation for Maestro Ormandy and its magnificent orchestra, one of the world’s greatest.  After expressing his appreciation for the exciting standing ovation, Mr. Ormandy told of their fourteen hours of recording and their inspirational association with the Choir, with Isaac M. Stewart, its President, and with Richard P. Condie, its Conductor.  And then he gave his wonderful compliment to the Choir:  ‘We are better people for having been with your marvelous and sincere Tabernacle Choir yesterday and today.’

Tribute to President McKay

He then repeated his impressive statement about President McKay which he had made to the Music Department representative of the Deseret News.  After paying a glowing tribute to Utah and the Church, with which he is familiar, he said:

‘All of this, of course, stems from one of the greatest human beings I have ever had the honor to meet, the head of your Church, President David O. McKay.  We were in his presence a few times, including the last time we were here.  We felt very humble.  He is a very great man, and it is unbelievable that at nearly ninety-four, he still has his brilliance and is so alert, and is able to run this great Church of yours as he does.  May he live to be even much, much older!’  (See newspaper clipping following.)”

Fri., 15 Mar., 1968:

“11:10 a.m.

Clare came over and presented to me the objection of Elder Richard L. Evans that criticism is received when we sing at the Broadcast sessions of Conference the patriotic songs of America.

I had already approved of the congregational singing of “America”, as suggested by Richard P. Condie, Conductor. I called Brother Condie by telephone, and he stated that he could not see any objection to singing “America” at this session. I stated that “I don’t care whether they like it or not, I want them to sing ‘America’ as listed.” Later, as I was informed that “America” would be deleted from the Broadcast going overseas, I gave permission to delete it from the program.

I then thanked Brother Condie for the bouquet of beautiful red roses which the Choir sent to Sister McKay and me.”

Mon., 7 Oct., 1968:

“This morning early Isaac Stewart, President of the Tabernacle Choir, came over to the office in the Hotel Utah to discuss the following three matters pertinent to the Choir:

a. Increased broadcasting coverage for the Tabernacle Choir. 

b. Invitation for the Tabernacle Choir to attend the San Diego 200th Anniversary celebration. 

c. The visit of Governor George C. Wallace on the 12th of October, and the request for the Tabernacle Choir to sing when Governor Wallace speaks in the Tabernacle on that occasion.

After giving consideration to these matters, I authorized Brother Stewart to go ahead.